| Yes, the Atlantic production was late 2008 thru March 2009. *nmi* | |
| Posted by: | Esther 05:13 pm EST 01/16/14 |
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| 2 wk turnaround after Godot/Pinter- stagehands must be licking their chops | |
| Posted by: | thtrgoer 06:16 pm EST 01/16/14 |
| In reply to: | Yes, the Atlantic production was late 2008 thru March 2009. *nmi* - Esther 05:13 pm EST 01/16/14 |
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| This means our special wearing a green shirt on a Tuesday work rules will automatically kick in... | |
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| re: 2 wk turnaround after Godot/Pinter- stagehands must be licking their chops | |
| Posted by: | shadowlight 07:19 pm EST 01/16/14 |
| In reply to: | 2 wk turnaround after Godot/Pinter- stagehands must be licking their chops - thtrgoer 06:16 pm EST 01/16/14 |
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| " This means our special wearing a green shirt on a Tuesday work rules will automatically kick in..." If you're going to be insulting, you could at least try to make some sense. Yes, stagehands will make overtime during the inevitable 14 hour days trying to make this absurd changeover happen. What of it? They shouldn't be properly compensated for spending 2 solid weeks of 14 hour days in a theater trying to make this happen? The stagehands haven't set this ridiculous turnaround - the producers have. They wanted to squeeze the last dime from one star-driven (if excellent) production before shoe-horning in another in time to make the Tony cut-off. Their choice. Their decision. Not the stagehands'. | |
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| re: 2 wk turnaround after Godot/Pinter- stagehands must be licking their chops | |
| Posted by: | ryhog 07:48 pm EST 01/16/14 |
| In reply to: | re: 2 wk turnaround after Godot/Pinter- stagehands must be licking their chops - shadowlight 07:19 pm EST 01/16/14 |
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| I don't understand or condone the potshot, but the truth is, we don't know enough to say if this load-in, build and tech will require lots of overtime or not. Maybe it will; or maybe the producers you seem as as quick to criticize as the earlier poster was the stagehands know that something you don't about the requirements for getting their show (which they have already done elsewhere) up and running. There is nothing "inevitable" about it, and the fact that your knee jerk reaction is that there is really fans the flames of stage hand hate. Could it turn out to be "absurd" or "ridiculous"? Sure. But it's also possible that the producers and production management know exactly what they are doing. There is nothing inherently wrong with this timing. Many shows around the world would never dream of taking two weeks to load in and out and get their show up. What's scary is that you seem to assume be oblivious to anything but complications. If you turn out to be right, and it legitimately takes 2 solid weeks of 14 hour days, then shame on everyone and yes pay the stagehands for bailing out their stupidity. | |
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| re: 2 wk turnaround after Godot/Pinter- stagehands must be licking their chops | |
| Posted by: | shadowlight 08:59 pm EST 01/16/14 |
| In reply to: | re: 2 wk turnaround after Godot/Pinter- stagehands must be licking their chops - ryhog 07:48 pm EST 01/16/14 |
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| " What's scary is that you seem to assume be oblivious to anything but complications." I haven't said a word about complications. There are only 12 full days between the time the curtain rings down on one production and rises on another. I don't know how many shows you've loaded in and teched, but that's not a lot of time to load out one show, load in another, install it, tech, rehearse and start previews, no matter what the show. ANY show will involve overtime during the production process. That is inevitable at a certain point in the process. Stagehands have to be there to work before the actors arrive, and have to stay during the rehearsals. It's a necessity. It is helpful that the actors have done the show elsewhere, but they haven't done it on that stage with that set - and the stagehands haven't done it at all. No matter how you look at it, this is a very tight turnaround. To say otherwise betrays a lack of knowledge of how the production process works on Broadway. | |
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| re: 2 wk turnaround after Godot/Pinter- stagehands must be licking their chops | |
| Posted by: | ryhog 10:55 pm EST 01/16/14 |
| In reply to: | re: 2 wk turnaround after Godot/Pinter- stagehands must be licking their chops - shadowlight 08:59 pm EST 01/16/14 |
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| I've been involved in plenty of shows that don't have that kind of turnaround. Ask any regional theatre TD and he or she will laugh at you. I obviously recognize the possibility that things will not be planned properly (it's not the norm, unfortunately), but if (as it appears) they are replicating the unit set on the Cort stage, with the same cast, and if it is a fairly simple show technically (as it appears), then if the stage hands can't get it done, we've uncovered a problem with the stage hands. | |
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| Posted by: | shadowlight 11:25 pm EST 01/16/14 |
| In reply to: | re: 2 wk turnaround after Godot/Pinter- stagehands must be licking their chops - ryhog 10:55 pm EST 01/16/14 |
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| "Ask any regional theatre TD and he or she will laugh at you." Apples and oranges, but you know that, right? " I obviously recognize the possibility that things will not be planned properly (it's not the norm, unfortunately), but if (as it appears) they are replicating the unit set on the Cort stage, with the same cast, and if it is a fairly simple show technically (as it appears), then if the stage hands can't get it done, we've uncovered a problem with the stage hands." Whole lotta "if"s going on there - but that's not the point. What you are refusing to understand is that the stagehands, in even a more relaxed timeframe, will of a necessity go into overtime at some point in the process. They have to be at work at 8am to do work that can't be done (or safely done) with actors in the building. When the actors arrive, they have to stay to continue work that can be done and run the equipment for the rehearsal. Overtime is inevitable under the best of circumstances, and when there's a time crunch it's worse. From your response below: "I'm with you on the overtime if that's what's required, which is why it is so perplexing that you are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill you don't know anything about. That sort of attitude is why people rag on stage hands." All due respect, it would appear that I know more about these kinds of issues than you do. I originally posted because I objected to the tone and content of thtrgoer's post. I don't think that's making a mountain out of a molehill. I don't know what to make of your "that sort of attitude" remark being a reason for people to "rag on" stagehands - it's just another excuse to "fan the flames of stage hand hate", as you so elegantly put it earlier. | |
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| re: 2 wk turnaround after Godot/Pinter- stagehands must be licking their chops | |
| Posted by: | ryhog 11:39 pm EST 01/16/14 |
| In reply to: | re: 2 wk turnaround after Godot/Pinter- stagehands must be licking their chops - shadowlight 11:25 pm EST 01/16/14 |
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| I don't know it's apples and oranges because I haven't seen the work plan. And neither have you. I guess I'll never get through to you, but what you don't get is that the sorts of things you are saying are the sorts of things that make other people talk about stage hands licking their chops. | |
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| Posted by: | shadowlight 07:25 pm EST 01/17/14 |
| In reply to: | re: 2 wk turnaround after Godot/Pinter- stagehands must be licking their chops - ryhog 11:39 pm EST 01/16/14 |
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| If ever there was a case for a private messaging on this board, this is it. There can be no meeting of the minds here because you don't listen to the other side. You also don't know what I have and haven't seen, but you freely claim to. In any case, when I said "apples and oranges", I was referring to regional theater vs Broadway - which is something I think that we agree on. You've gotten through to me. I do "get" what you're saying, but people will say malicious things about stagehands, regardless of what I say here (and I've said nothing but the truth and nothing to warrant attack). I suppose I will just have to live with your disapproval. | |
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| In that same theatre | |
| Posted by: | kafritz 09:09 pm EST 01/16/14 |
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| ...in 2010, A View from the Bridge closed April 4, and Fences began previews only 10 days later on April 14. It can be done. | |
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| Posted by: | shadowlight 09:19 pm EST 01/16/14 |
| In reply to: | In that same theatre - kafritz 09:09 pm EST 01/16/14 |
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| "...in 2010, A View from the Bridge closed April 4, and Fences began previews only 10 days later on April 14. It can be done." Sure it can - but not without overtime. That's a massive amount of work to be done in very little time. Another example was at the Golden, which had, I think, only 9 days between the closing of Driving Miss Daisy and the first preview of The Normal Heart. | |
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| Posted by: | kafritz 09:37 pm EST 01/16/14 |
| In reply to: | re: In that same theatre - shadowlight 09:19 pm EST 01/16/14 |
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| Are they spending your money to do so? | |
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| Why the sniping? | |
| Posted by: | MockingbirdGirl 10:47 pm EST 01/16/14 |
| In reply to: | re: In that same theatre - kafritz 09:37 pm EST 01/16/14 |
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| After all, shadowlight is the one saying that if the turnaround is tight and requires overtime the stagehands should be properly compensated! | |
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| Posted by: | shadowlight 09:50 pm EST 01/16/14 |
| In reply to: | re: In that same theatre - kafritz 09:37 pm EST 01/16/14 |
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| "Are they spending your money to do so?" I think there's some confusion here. Perhaps you should read (or re-read) the subthread. I am defending the overtime pay that thtrgoer says "stagehands must be licking their chops" over - as if stagehands had something to do with the timing of the turnaround or that there was something wrong with collecting the resultant overtime. | |
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| Posted by: | ryhog 10:59 pm EST 01/16/14 |
| In reply to: | re: In that same theatre - shadowlight 09:50 pm EST 01/16/14 |
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| I'm with you on the overtime if that's what's required, which is why it is so perplexing that you are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill you don't know anything about. That sort of attitude is why people rag on stage hands. | |
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