| Bravo producers of Inishmaan! | |
| Posted by: | Chazwaza 08:14 pm EDT 03/12/14 |
| In reply to: | Cripple of Inishmaan is discounting previews - mikem 08:09 pm EDT 03/12/14 |
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| This is how it should always be. (I wish the prices of these tickets were cheapest across the board, pre and post-opening... $142 is insane of a big musical but it's beyond INSANE for a straight play with a small cast) | |
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| re: Bravo producers of Inishmaan! | |
| Posted by: | MarjorieMae 01:05 am EDT 03/13/14 |
| In reply to: | Bravo producers of Inishmaan! - Chazwaza 08:14 pm EDT 03/12/14 |
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| Like the pricetag on the 3-character, 90 minute Betrayal. | |
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| Posted by: | ryhog 08:20 pm EDT 03/12/14 |
| In reply to: | Bravo producers of Inishmaan! - Chazwaza 08:14 pm EDT 03/12/14 |
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| And it should always be this way because... you don't want to spend the greater amount even if it means that the show would not have been produced at all? To me THAT is insane. | |
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| Posted by: | Chazwaza 10:16 pm EDT 03/12/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Bravo producers of Inishmaan! - ryhog 08:20 pm EDT 03/12/14 |
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| what are you talking about? Are you supporting charging the same price for dress rehearsals as a polished and locked production/performance? If you are, we don't really have much to discuss. | |
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| Posted by: | ryhog 10:43 pm EDT 03/12/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Bravo producers of Inishmaan! - Chazwaza 10:16 pm EDT 03/12/14 |
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| What I am talking about is what you were talking about-"how it should always be...across the board, pre and post-opening." You know, cuz you apparently have an entitlement to have producers sell their luxury product to you at "pay what you will" prices. And after the show, you should ask Masa to feed you for a lot less than $450 because it is insane how much he charges and it'll be on his head if you starve. | |
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| Thought Masa must be a Japanese chef | |
| Posted by: | thtrgoer 03:05 pm EDT 03/13/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Bravo producers of Inishmaan! - ryhog 10:43 pm EDT 03/12/14 |
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| Massa was intended I guess. | |
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| Posted by: | ryhog 03:27 pm EDT 03/13/14 |
| In reply to: | Thought Masa must be a Japanese chef - thtrgoer 03:05 pm EDT 03/13/14 |
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| no. Masa, the chef, was intended. I have no idea how anyone read what I wrote and thought otherwise. | |
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| No, Masa is Masa Takayama, chef at Masa in the Time Warner Center | |
| Posted by: | Esther 03:27 pm EDT 03/13/14 |
| In reply to: | Thought Masa must be a Japanese chef - thtrgoer 03:05 pm EDT 03/13/14 |
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| said to be one of the most expensive restaurants in the world @ a cost of 450/pp That bite comes at some cost. Seven years ago, Masa had a base price of $300 a person, excluding tax, tip and upgrades like something to drink. Now it is $450 for the same fandango, an increase of 50 percent. Above from a NY Times review from a few yrs back | |
| Link | IS it worth it? NYTimes Restaurant Review |
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| re: No, Masa is Masa Takayama, chef at Masa in the Time Warner Center | |
| Posted by: | ryhog 03:49 pm EDT 03/13/14 |
| In reply to: | No, Masa is Masa Takayama, chef at Masa in the Time Warner Center - Esther 03:27 pm EDT 03/13/14 |
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| Thanks Esther for spelling out my reference. Now if you wanna take me there for dinner, I'll thank you again. | |
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| Hey, if I win the Mega Millions jackpot over the weekend......... | |
| Posted by: | Esther 04:05 pm EDT 03/13/14 |
| In reply to: | re: No, Masa is Masa Takayama, chef at Masa in the Time Warner Center - ryhog 03:49 pm EDT 03/13/14 |
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| ;) You're welcome. | |
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| re: Bravo producers of Inishmaan! | |
| Posted by: | Billhaven 11:58 pm EDT 03/12/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Bravo producers of Inishmaan! - ryhog 10:43 pm EDT 03/12/14 |
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| Not sure how we crossed from charging high prices to life down on the plantation. Perhaps we can fit in a reference to the Third Reich, too. | |
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| Posted by: | cinderonbroadway 12:27 am EDT 03/13/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Bravo producers of Inishmaan! - Billhaven 11:58 pm EDT 03/12/14 |
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| Think he was referring to a high end restaurant in NYC. | |
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| Posted by: | Chazwaza 10:54 pm EDT 03/12/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Bravo producers of Inishmaan! - ryhog 10:43 pm EDT 03/12/14 |
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| What brought on your insane attitude here? You really think that those prices are appropriate? If you do, great, I do not. I respect your opinion, you clearly don't respect mine and you're very rude about it. | |
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| re: Bravo producers of Inishmaan! | |
| Posted by: | ryhog 10:01 am EDT 03/13/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Bravo producers of Inishmaan! - Chazwaza 10:54 pm EDT 03/12/14 |
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| If folks are willing to pay those prices, then they are appropriate. We are talking about a commercial enterprise, not a charity. Some people here (you included) talk about pricing as if they have some entitlement to see Broadway shows (and we are talking about a show that is being produced on Broadway ONLY because its star is thought to be a magnet for ticket purchasers). I would love to have a Degas hanging in my living room. But I would not call Christies insane for selling it for millions of dollars more than I can afford to pay for it. Do you go on fashion websites at rail about the prices at Bergdorfs? Had you said that you thought producers would be wise to consider a different pricing scheme (such as the one they seem to be employing here), I would have respected that and perhaps even agreed with you. But that's not what you did, and I don't think I was any ruder to you than you were to producers who you called insane. I think pricing down the very non-lux balcony tickets and the preview tickets may well be a good decision, but do not mistake it for charity-it is a function of the demand the producers are seeing for those seats. | |
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| Posted by: | Chazwaza 11:23 pm EDT 03/13/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Bravo producers of Inishmaan! - ryhog 10:01 am EDT 03/13/14 |
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| It has NOTHING to do with charity, whether it's what you consider my assumption of entitlement to see a Broadway production, nor the producers of Inishmaan's reduction of preview prices (though I dare say what they actually did was price previews and normal rates and raise the prices for post-opening performances). It is about a fair price for a product. If I wanted bread, and only a few stores in my area sold bread, and they all agreed to charge $10 a loaf even though it really is only worth $5, most people would figure out how to pay it if they wanted bread, or they'd do without bread. There are two points to be made here: 1) The market supporting the price does NOT make it a fair price for what you're getting. Do not mistake what a market can bear for what is right. And do not pretend to think that producers are pricing things so they can just scrape by... it is not a situation of "these are the lowest prices we can give and still turn a modest profit". Just as it is not my concern how much less profits Walmart has to take in order to pay workers fairly AND keep their prices low/fair, it is not my concern how producers figure out how to make money. If that means the starts have to agree to longer contracts, then that's what they should do. If I were a star actor I'd be embarrassed to be in Cabaret (or even maybe Inishmaan were it not at least for the cheaper preview tickets) and have them charge such astronomical rates for normal non-premium tickets. 2) Like bread (or like bread used to be consider), I think culture and theater, and the theoretically best of American theater, should be something people should have and not be completely priced out of. It shouldn't only be for the very wealthy. And don't tell me "oh there's plenty of cheaper theater around the country"... that doesn't excuse the disproportionate pricing of Broadway AND off-Broadway shows. It seems clear we don't agree on this, so you can happily go on defending the annually shocking ticket price raises, and I will go on rallying against them. And I will hope that I can continue to get away with seeing these shows for much cheaper than the ticket prices, otherwise I simply will not be able to see most of them anymore, or I would go broke doing it. (and for the record it is very time consuming and effort-intensive to find all the cheap ways to see shows and actually get those tickets or deals, most people coming to nyc and seeing theater don't have the time or know-how, or even the knowledge that there are other ways, so using my abilities to get cheaper tickets against my argument is also not valid, far as I'm concerned, for the general public or for excusing the high ticket prices). | |
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| re: Bravo producers of Inishmaan! | |
| Posted by: | ryhog 01:32 am EDT 03/14/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Bravo producers of Inishmaan! - Chazwaza 11:23 pm EDT 03/13/14 |
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| Here is where the bread analogy breaks down: there are lots and lots of opportunities to see theatre for less than the budget-busting price of the most highly-priced shows (shows, I might add, that were designed to make money and for no other reason). If you want to fight for public funding of the arts, I will stand with you; if you want to fight for fair wages and benefits for Walmart employees, I will stand with you. Bring Harry Potter back to Broadway to do a play no one is pining to see because some producers think they can make a fast buck? You're on your own. Fair price for a fair product? The market determines that. What is right in the pricing of luxury goods does not factor into what is fair. Ask Paul Krugman. Ask Milton Friedman. You'll get the same answer. I think this is important not so much as a defense of capitalism but as a challenge to the idea of equating theatre and Broadway. Broadway is a luxury entertainment destination that the less affluent can (by making an effort such as the one you describe enjoy sometimes); theatre in New York is a lot more and a lot better than that. Go see Hand to God; it's a much more fulfilling way to spend an evening than Inishmaan. | |
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| re: Bravo producers of Inishmaan! | |
| Posted by: | Chazwaza 12:38 pm EDT 03/14/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Bravo producers of Inishmaan! - ryhog 01:32 am EDT 03/14/14 |
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| I'm sorry but I do not think it as simple as Broadway theater being designed to make money and for no other reason. It's just not true. | |
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| Posted by: | ryhog 01:06 pm EDT 03/14/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Bravo producers of Inishmaan! - Chazwaza 12:38 pm EDT 03/14/14 |
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| well there are certain productions in which producers decide to spend their money in the fact of improbable odds of making money, but commercial Broadway is (as its name clues you in) about making money. You can live in denial of that, but it really doesn't aid in understanding Broadway. And whatever you might think is not true in general, surely you could not seriously think there is a noncommercial reason Inishmaan with Radcliffe is being produced on Broadway in the spring of 2014. | |
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| Posted by: | Lilac 12:30 am EDT 03/13/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Bravo producers of Inishmaan! - Chazwaza 10:54 pm EDT 03/12/14 |
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| The sad thing is... It may be a "luxury product" but it isn't always the best... I've witnessed things in Broadway productions that don't even happen in community theatre productions. I love Broadway shows, and will pay for them, but like many others think that the arts in some form should be accessible to everyone. Also, just because something makes it to Broadway doesn't mean that great theatre can't be seen for less or for free. The groundlings in the Globe come to mind...that was a deal! None of this talk of has to do with Inishmaan which I am looking forward to very much, and I, for one, appreciate that they are making more affordable seats available for all performances. | |
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