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re: Nothing has worked for me since the original SHOW BOAT

Posted by: JayBee 03:16 pm EDT 03/13/14
In reply to: Nothing has worked for me since the original SHOW BOAT - robbyho 02:43 pm EDT 03/13/14

Hmmm. You could be right. Although there is South Pacific, but I didn't see those original productions, so I cannot judge - like many on this board who NEVER SAW the original Night Music production cannot pass judgement.


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re: Nothing has worked for me since the original SHOW BOAT

Posted by: AlanScott 06:41 pm EDT 03/13/14
In reply to: re: Nothing has worked for me since the original SHOW BOAT - JayBee 03:16 pm EDT 03/13/14

Cannot pass judgment on what?

Alan
Who saw the original production of A Little Night Music three times


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re: Nothing has worked for me since the original SHOW BOAT

Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 04:23 pm EDT 03/13/14
In reply to: re: Nothing has worked for me since the original SHOW BOAT - JayBee 03:16 pm EDT 03/13/14

Dear JayBee, it seems you weren't clear in your original post as to whether you were referencing the shows as written or the original productions, which are obviously not the same thing.

Your first paragraph makes it sound like you're referring to the original productions, but the rest of the post seems like you're referring to the shows themselves -- i.e., book, music and lyrics.


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re: Nothing has worked for me since the original SHOW BOAT

Posted by: Chazwaza 04:48 pm EDT 03/13/14
In reply to: re: Nothing has worked for me since the original SHOW BOAT - Michael_Portantiere 04:23 pm EDT 03/13/14

To say nothing of the fact that, to quote a great play, "I have such doubt" that JayBee has seen the original production of every major contender for "great musical" status in NYC since 1973.


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re: Nothing has worked for me since the original SHOW BOAT

Posted by: JayBee 04:48 pm EDT 03/13/14
In reply to: re: Nothing has worked for me since the original SHOW BOAT - Michael_Portantiere 04:23 pm EDT 03/13/14

Dear Michael, Sorry for the confusion, but I am referring to the original production -and all its elements. As much as I love Night Music, the recent revival did not knock me out at all, but what Hal Prince put together was truly glorious. That original production - in every department - has yet to be beat .
And for those who have been wondering ... I've seen hundreds and hundreds of shows in the last forty years, probably the original production of every musical mentioned on this thread, and I enjoyed many of them a great deal. In fact, some I have revisited because I enjoyed them so much, but none has had everything come together as brilliantly as Night Music did in 1973.


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re: Nothing has worked for me since the original SHOW BOAT

Posted by: enoch10 11:28 pm EDT 03/13/14
In reply to: re: Nothing has worked for me since the original SHOW BOAT - JayBee 04:48 pm EDT 03/13/14

>>I've seen hundreds and hundreds of shows in the last forty years, probably the original production of every musical mentioned on this thread,

neither of these address your position. you've either seen every musical since 1973 - your own criteria for evaluating and ranking - or you haven't. "hundreds" and "probably" don't cut it, again using your own criteria. criteria i heartily agree with by the way. i don't understand the concept of, "ok, i haven't seen X but i know it pales in comparison to Y."

and it's so much worse when stated either authoritatively (if one is feeling generous) or pompously (if one is not) "X matters and nothing that follows does. i know this because i saw X."


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re: Nothing has worked for me since the original SHOW BOAT

Posted by: EvFoDr 04:59 pm EDT 03/13/14
In reply to: re: Nothing has worked for me since the original SHOW BOAT - JayBee 04:48 pm EDT 03/13/14

I'm curious what you would list as runners up. Could it be there is something specific about the sensibility of A Little Night Music and your tastes that make it seem so much greater to you than other (great) musicals that have come after it?


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re: Nothing has worked for me since the original SHOW BOAT

Posted by: Chazwaza 04:49 pm EDT 03/13/14
In reply to: re: Nothing has worked for me since the original SHOW BOAT - JayBee 04:48 pm EDT 03/13/14

What you say here is a lot easier to swallow and more positive than the rabble-rousing judgmental post that was the original in this thread.


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re: Nothing has worked for me since the original SHOW BOAT

Posted by: Chromolume 05:32 pm EDT 03/13/14
In reply to: re: Nothing has worked for me since the original SHOW BOAT - Chazwaza 04:49 pm EDT 03/13/14

What you say here is a lot easier to swallow and more positive than the rabble-rousing judgmental post that was the original in this thread.

Agreed 100%. It's all in how it's said. ;-)


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re: Nothing has worked for me since the original SHOW BOAT

Posted by: Chazwaza 03:38 pm EDT 03/13/14
In reply to: re: Nothing has worked for me since the original SHOW BOAT - JayBee 03:16 pm EDT 03/13/14

They certainly CAN "pass judgement" (why such a harsh image of thinking things?) if they haven't seen the original production live. For the same reason I don't think it's ok to dismiss Sweeney Todd because of your opinion of it's original production, you cannot judge ALNM positively because of it's original production and then tell other who've seen the show and know the material that they couldn't possibly know what it was like seeing the brilliant original production.

The show must be judged as a play, it must be able to hold up to other productions, and CD listenings and script readings.

Both ALNM and Sweeney Todd pass those tests and remain wonderful, even perfect musicals. And yet I know there are plenty who were bored by ALNM or turned off by Sweeney.


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