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| Posted by: | TsuHsi 02:36 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
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| Is it another musical adaptation opening in London with Robert Lindsay, or is it the same one as was on Broadway? Sorry if this has already been discussed. | |
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| Posted by: | Michael_Portantiere 03:04 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
| In reply to: | Dirty Rotten Scoundrels - TsuHsi 02:36 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
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| I'm curious as to why you thought it was a new musical adaptation. It would be highly unusual, if not unprecedented, for someone to get the rights to a do a new musical adaptation, especially so soon after the original, and especially with the same title. | |
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| Posted by: | TsuHsi 09:35 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Dirty Rotten Scoundrels - Michael_Portantiere 03:04 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
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| I only wondered because the article said it was a "new" musical adaptation -- I guess they mean new to London, because it does appear to be the same one. | |
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| Posted by: | Michael_Portantiere 11:02 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Dirty Rotten Scoundrels - TsuHsi 09:35 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
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| "I only wondered because the article said it was a 'new' musical adaptation." Well, that is very misleading, even if they meant "new to London." The Broadway production was almost 10 years ago. | |
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| Posted by: | sf 08:36 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Dirty Rotten Scoundrels - Michael_Portantiere 03:04 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
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| There are two musicals of 'Whistle Down the Wind' - the (awful) Andrew Lloyd Webber - Jim Steinman adaptation, and an earlier version that was performed in London by the National Youth Music Theatre. | |
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| the real question is whether the rights are exclusive | |
| Posted by: | dramedy 04:46 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Dirty Rotten Scoundrels - Michael_Portantiere 03:04 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
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| for the stage version. I don't know the answer, but maybe the exclusivity is only for a preriod of time so that another person could right a different score based on the same book/movie/play at a later date. | |
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| Full Monty | |
| Posted by: | JAllenC3 03:34 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Dirty Rotten Scoundrels - Michael_Portantiere 03:04 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
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| Well, there are distinct stage versions of Full Monty, the Yazbek musical and the straight play that's currently playing in London. Although this is a slightly different circumstance, it's probably the closest thing to what the original poster was thinking. | |
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| Posted by: | Ann 03:35 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
| In reply to: | Full Monty - JAllenC3 03:34 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
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| I had no idea that wasn't the musical version of The Full Monty, but it makes sense. | |
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| Posted by: | sf 04:32 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Full Monty - Ann 03:35 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
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| The musical version of 'The Full Monty' played in London years ago - more successfully than the new version, which is closing (*very* early, it's only been running in London for about a month) at the end of next week. | |
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| Posted by: | FriendofDorothy 04:41 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Full Monty - sf 04:32 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
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| It's a different situation than what the OP mentioned; one is a musical adaptation, one isn't. It would be unheard of for the rights holder to commission a second musical or second straight play based on it. | |
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| The Strange Case of "The Goodbye Girl" | |
| Posted by: | Holland 03:34 am EDT 03/19/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Full Monty - FriendofDorothy 04:41 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
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| Which opened in London after the Broadway run with a new lyricist. Not sure how much of the score was new or just revamped. | |
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| Posted by: | Michael_Portantiere 05:40 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Full Monty - FriendofDorothy 04:41 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
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| "It's a different situation than what the OP mentioned; one is a musical adaptation, one isn't. It would be unheard of for the rights holder to commission a second musical or second straight play based on it." Yes, that's what I meant. Though, I must say, I'm surprised that a non-musical stage version of THE FULL MONTY was licensed, especially so (relatively) soon after the musical version. I would imagine that might lead to some confusion. | |
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| Posted by: | sf 08:34 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Full Monty - Michael_Portantiere 05:40 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
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| It didn't seem to lead to any confusion here - the musical played London a decade ago, and I don't think it's had any major stagings in the UK since, and it's set in the States, whereas this is very definitely a stage adaptation of the film, set in Yorkshire (it was first staged at the Crucible in Sheffield, where the film is set, and was a big hit there). The musical, here, is more or less forgotten. | |
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| Posted by: | FriendofDorothy 07:36 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Full Monty - Michael_Portantiere 05:40 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
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| Fox owns the movie and invested in the musical, so I, too am surprised they would have licensed a different property, especially considering that it does get a decent number of regional productions. | |
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| Posted by: | simbo 09:03 am EDT 03/19/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Full Monty - FriendofDorothy 07:36 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
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| I think you're ignoring that the musical is very, very Americanised, and that created a reasonable amount of resentment among English audiences. The straight-play version brings it back to something that is (or at least, was supposed to be) more attractive to a british audience (although clearly it's not working since it's closing early) | |
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| Posted by: | sf 06:51 pm EDT 03/19/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Full Monty - simbo 09:03 am EDT 03/19/14 |
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| I'm not even sure it's fair to say it's not working for a *British* audience. It was extremely successful on tour, at least in the north. That doesn't always translate to success in the West End - and clearly hasn't in this case - but it clearly did connect with *some* British audiences. | |
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| Posted by: | Ann 05:45 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Full Monty - Michael_Portantiere 05:40 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
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| "A Christmas Story" has a musical version and one, maybe two non-musical versions. | |
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| Posted by: | NightMusic77 03:17 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Dirty Rotten Scoundrels - Michael_Portantiere 03:04 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
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| Unusual, absolutely. But certainly not unprecedented. The Wild Party and Phantom of the Opera/Phantom come to mind off the top of my head. Are there others? | |
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| Posted by: | FriendofDorothy 03:28 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Dirty Rotten Scoundrels - NightMusic77 03:17 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
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| I think The Wild Party and Phantom are both in the public domain, so there could be a million versions. Certainly DRS is not in the public domain yet. So there could only be a "new" adaptation with consent of the rights holder (which may or may not be the film studio). | |
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| Posted by: | Michael_Portantiere 05:42 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Dirty Rotten Scoundrels - FriendofDorothy 03:28 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
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| Exactly. Look at how many musical (and non musical) versions of A CHRISTMAS CAROL there are. Public domain is a completely different situation. | |
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| Posted by: | FriendofDorothy 07:38 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Dirty Rotten Scoundrels - Michael_Portantiere 05:42 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
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| Not including works of Shakespeare, I bet A Christmas Carol probably has more adaptations than anything else. | |
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| Posted by: | dlevy 03:27 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Dirty Rotten Scoundrels - NightMusic77 03:17 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
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| Those are in a different category because the underlying source material was public domain. (Sort of - Kopit & Yeston purchased the rights for Phantom, but the novel went PD before they got their show up, enabling Andrew Lloyd Webber et al to do theirs.) You could include Godspell and Jesus Christ Superstar in your list, sort of. | |
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| Posted by: | MikeR 02:40 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
| In reply to: | Dirty Rotten Scoundrels - TsuHsi 02:36 pm EDT 03/18/14 |
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| It's the Yazbek adaptation that ran on Broadway with Lithgow and Butz in the original cast. | |
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