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re: .it's all well and good......

Posted by: enoch10 09:48 pm EDT 03/31/14
In reply to: re: .it's all well and good...... - bobby2 08:24 pm EDT 03/31/14

>> and in the movie Liza is supposed to be a good singer. Right after she leaves the stage Brian says something like you are really quite wonderful and she says I know darling! She is only like 19 and in Germany during a recession so career opportunities are not exactly plentiful.

he does compliment her on her singing but, especially at that point, he's an unreliable judge of her character (and by extension her singing skills?). it is a story about his slowly (and painfully) becoming aware of the kind of person she actuality is. he could at this point be as wrong about her talent as he is about everything else about her. the fact is she's in a 3rd rate night club. we don't know what the outcome of her audition at the end will be but i don't think there is anything to indicate we should assume there will be a happy ending for anybody in germany at that time.

i think what throws people is minnelli does sing so well. we can see her being in a better club than the kit kat and we can see her singing herself into a better tomorrow. the problem is i don't think any of those characters are going to have a better tomorrow.

i don't think she was miscast for the film. i don't think fosse should have had her sing less well. i just think her singing voice (so wonderful then) can throw things at an odd angle.


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re: .it's all well and good......

Posted by: bobby2 02:10 am EDT 04/01/14
In reply to: re: .it's all well and good...... - enoch10 09:48 pm EDT 03/31/14

"he does compliment her on her singing but, especially at that point, he's an unreliable judge of her character (and by extension her singing skills?)."


the odd thing is that to me in the movie Sally doesn't have poor character. She's a pretty smart cookie who realizes how deluded Brian is about himself and gets out before she is stuck. I always feel Liza's Sally leaves Germany pretty soon after the final scene and set off for New York, New York (pun intended.)

whereas in the stage version I feel she goes like Elsie.


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re: .it's all well and good......

Posted by: enoch10 12:46 am EDT 04/02/14
In reply to: re: .it's all well and good...... - bobby2 02:10 am EDT 04/01/14

>> the odd thing is that to me in the movie Sally doesn't have poor character.

well, except for the lying and the manipulating and the cheating (if i didn't detest slut shaming i'd add prostitution) yes.


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