| But surgery is an option ... (spoiler, I suppose) | |
| Posted by: | Ann 06:08 pm EDT 08/06/14 |
| In reply to: | Side Show final song… - Solberg 06:04 pm EDT 08/06/14 |
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| ... in the new production. And I think it works very well now, somewhat because of the introduction of the idea that a surgeon may be able to separate the twins, and this would clear the way for Terry, but Daisy doesn't want to do it. Thus, she has decided she will never leave her. That, in addition to the fact that other people do leave them, and they know they (emotionally in addition to the obvious) won't. I was with you completely before, but it really worked for me in the DC production. That said - Who Will Love Me As I Am is the best song in the score. | |
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| re: But surgery.. ... (spoiler, I suppose) contrary view | |
| Posted by: | NewtonUK 09:14 am EDT 08/07/14 |
| In reply to: | But surgery is an option ... (spoiler, I suppose) - Ann 06:08 pm EDT 08/06/14 |
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| Yes - surgery is now an option. When Buddy calls off his marriage because (gasp!) he's gay and cannot live a lie, the other guy suddenly has to be bridegroom. Oy. Such a megillah! Well - marrying a Siamese twin presents obvious wedding night concerns - So he out of nowhere says - 'I met a Doctor who told me they could be separated safely!' Pardon me WTF? When? You never mentioned this? And not likely true anyway. IMHO, this rewrite takes a show that worked beautifully the first time around (the NY Times wrote a love letter to the original production) with the unspoken but omnipresent issue of how these girls could marry always on the table - and turned it into a mediocre show. These last minute revelations, for me, are about as risible as the 15 minutes we waste with the back story of the twins and Houdini (yeah, Houdini - I cant make this stuff up). I always wish Side Show well - I just think this 'new' version is a Side Show which has been tinkered to death. | |
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| re: But surgery.. ... (spoiler, I suppose) contrary view | |
| Posted by: | joly1 09:16 pm EDT 08/07/14 |
| In reply to: | re: But surgery.. ... (spoiler, I suppose) contrary view - NewtonUK 09:14 am EDT 08/07/14 |
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| You should read the biography about the twins: The Lives and Loves of Daisy and Violet Hilton. Not only is it a great read, a lot of the back story (including Houdini) is in there. | |
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| re: But surgery.. ... (spoiler, I suppose) contrary view | |
| Posted by: | bwaydiva1 11:54 am EDT 08/07/14 |
| In reply to: | re: But surgery.. ... (spoiler, I suppose) contrary view - NewtonUK 09:14 am EDT 08/07/14 |
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| I worry about your last sentence/concern there. That is my concern as well. (Also, in reality the twins could have been safely separated I think. According to an article, they shared no major organs. However, they were shuttled off to showbiz. I think psychologically by the time they were adults they were connected to a degree where it might have been damaging.) | |
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| re: But surgery is an option ... (spoiler, I suppose) | |
| Posted by: | sf 07:25 pm EDT 08/06/14 |
| In reply to: | But surgery is an option ... (spoiler, I suppose) - Ann 06:08 pm EDT 08/06/14 |
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| That might actually make the song work for me. The first time around, I thought it was the single stupidest lyric I'd ever heard in a theatre. | |
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| re: But surgery is an option ... (spoiler, I suppose) | |
| Posted by: | NeoAdamite 11:13 pm EDT 08/06/14 |
| In reply to: | re: But surgery is an option ... (spoiler, I suppose) - sf 07:25 pm EDT 08/06/14 |
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| The first time around, I thought it was the single stupidest lyric I'd ever heard in a theatre. Although you're hardly alone, I thought it was meant metaphorically, as a statement of resignation (probably nobody is going to love us as we are) but also commitment to emotional support. The latter may seem obvious, but there are many cases where people shackled together by fate hate each other for it. I'm unfamiliar with the changes made for this production, but I'm willing to give it a chance. | |
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| re: But surgery is an option ... (spoiler, I suppose) | |
| Posted by: | sf 10:24 am EDT 08/07/14 |
| In reply to: | re: But surgery is an option ... (spoiler, I suppose) - NeoAdamite 11:13 pm EDT 08/06/14 |
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| I know what a metaphor is, thank you very much. It's still a laughably stupid line - or at least, it was in the original version of the show. | |
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| re: But surgery is an option ... (spoiler, I suppose) | |
| Posted by: | AnyaS 02:12 am EDT 08/07/14 |
| In reply to: | re: But surgery is an option ... (spoiler, I suppose) - NeoAdamite 11:13 pm EDT 08/06/14 |
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| That's how I always viewed too. There are many lyrics to criticize in the show but I never understood the uproar over this one. Did people honestly take it literally? Really? Really??? | |
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| Posted by: | JohnPopa 08:19 am EDT 08/07/14 |
| In reply to: | re: But surgery is an option ... (spoiler, I suppose) - AnyaS 02:12 am EDT 08/07/14 |
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| Oh, I got that it wasn't meant literally, I still thought it was a hammy and laughable way to express things. (Haven't seen the new version, hope it works better.) | |
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| re: But surgery is an option ... (spoiler, I suppose) | |
| Posted by: | Vint 09:30 pm EDT 08/06/14 |
| In reply to: | re: But surgery is an option ... (spoiler, I suppose) - sf 07:25 pm EDT 08/06/14 |
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| The first time around, I thought it was the single stupidest lyric I'd ever heard in a theatre. At that point, had you heard the "November Song" from Sugar? | |
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| re: But surgery is an option ... (spoiler, I suppose) | |
| Posted by: | sf 10:22 pm EDT 08/06/14 |
| In reply to: | re: But surgery is an option ... (spoiler, I suppose) - Vint 09:30 pm EDT 08/06/14 |
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| *At the time*, no I hadn't - but of course it doesn't involve people who are joined at the hip singing about how they'll never leave each other. | |
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| re: But surgery is an option ... (spoiler, I suppose) | |
| Posted by: | Vint 01:37 am EDT 08/07/14 |
| In reply to: | re: But surgery is an option ... (spoiler, I suppose) - sf 10:22 pm EDT 08/06/14 |
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| No, but it can be forgiven as authorial irony. A lyric that reads like a bad first draft, however, can't be. :) | |
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| re: But surgery is an option ... (spoiler, I suppose) | |
| Posted by: | carolinaguy 10:24 am EDT 08/07/14 |
| In reply to: | re: But surgery is an option ... (spoiler, I suppose) - Vint 01:37 am EDT 08/07/14 |
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| Thank God other people think this too. Even beyond the idea that two women with their asses grown together can't really leave each other, some of the other lyrics in the song are banal or just plain bad, especially in the chorus: I will never leave you (Duh; our asses are grown together) I will never go away (Redundant) We were meant to be together (Because our asses are grown together) Beside you is where I will stay (Duh; and a contorted phrasing to get the easy away/stay rhyme) | |
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| Third line is... | |
| Posted by: | bwaynut 10:50 am EDT 08/07/14 |
| In reply to: | re: But surgery is an option ... (spoiler, I suppose) - carolinaguy 10:24 am EDT 08/07/14 |
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| "We were meant to share each moment".... I realize it still does nothing to change your analysis. | |
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| re: Third line is... | |
| Posted by: | carolinaguy 10:58 am EDT 08/07/14 |
| In reply to: | Third line is... - bwaynut 10:50 am EDT 08/07/14 |
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| Ah, thank you. I don't know where I got 'be together' from... | |
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| re: But surgery is an option ... (spoiler, I suppose) | |
| Posted by: | Solberg 06:09 pm EDT 08/06/14 |
| In reply to: | But surgery is an option ... (spoiler, I suppose) - Ann 06:08 pm EDT 08/06/14 |
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| Ann--that makes me very happy. Thanks. | |
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| re: But surgery is an option ... (spoiler, I suppose) | |
| Posted by: | John_Patti 07:12 pm EDT 08/06/14 |
| In reply to: | re: But surgery is an option ... (spoiler, I suppose) - Solberg 06:09 pm EDT 08/06/14 |
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| I felt the same way about 60% of the score back then - this new revival creates the perfect context for the songs and those which were squirm inducing work amazingly well now. Beyond amazing - stunningly well. | |
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