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| Posted by: | ryhog 01:35 pm EDT 08/08/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Of course not... - Singapore/Fling 01:19 pm EDT 08/08/14 |
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| Whether or not it would fit into CSC or the like, I understood the discussion to be about Broadway. I am not sure I understand the purpose of bringing it to CSC. It has had a non-profit tryout. Who is going to pay to bring it to CSC, where the gross weekly revenue is no more than $100k? And why? So someone too lazy to get on a bus can see it? | |
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| Posted by: | Singapore/Fling 02:14 pm EDT 08/08/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Of course not... - ryhog 01:35 pm EDT 08/08/14 |
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| Yes, exactly. So that all of the people who live in New York, who for whatever reason can't make it up to Williamstown, are able to see the show. As we both agree that its commercial prospects are dim, doing a prestige run in a major non-profit is the only real option if they want to run it in New York. And whether or not the show is great, there is a lot of fondness for Kander and Ebb, as well as for Chita. Shows that play Williamstown don't tend to have a real life unless they go to one of the top tier non-profit houses. | |
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| Posted by: | bwaydiva1 02:21 pm EDT 08/08/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Of course not... - Singapore/Fling 02:14 pm EDT 08/08/14 |
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| Renee Fleming could headline a commercial run-but she's a very rare exception (she has quite a following and I think in a limited engagement situation could draw very good numbers). However, most shows have not had a successful life after Williamstown (The Elephant Man has two big names so that makes it a draw). | |
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| Posted by: | JohnDunlop 07:03 pm EDT 08/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Of course not... - bwaydiva1 02:21 pm EDT 08/08/14 |
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| Are you suggesting that the play Renee Fleming did in Williamstown in July, "Living in Love" come in, or that Fleming take over the lead role in "The Visit"? Either way, doesn't Renee Fleming have a schedule of opera appearances scheduled for this fall? I have not seen "The Visit," so I have not idea whether she is either right for the lead role, or would want to play it. | |
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| Posted by: | Alcindoro 02:45 pm EDT 08/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Of course not... - bwaydiva1 02:21 pm EDT 08/08/14 |
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| Renee Fleming??? In THE VISIT? Are you serious? Why not bring in Magda Olivero/ After all, she has done the von Einem opera version, and she's only 104 years old. | |
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| Posted by: | LegitOnce 03:31 am EDT 08/10/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Of course not... - Alcindoro 02:45 pm EDT 08/09/14 |
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| Renee Fleming??? In THE VISIT? Are you serious? I mean, what's next, Renee Fleming in A STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE? | |
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| Posted by: | Alcindoro 09:53 am EDT 08/10/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Of course not... - LegitOnce 03:31 am EDT 08/10/14 |
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| "Renee Fleming in A STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE?" That would never work. And it didn't. | |
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| Posted by: | JohnDunlop 09:48 am EDT 08/10/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Of course not... - LegitOnce 03:31 am EDT 08/10/14 |
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| ......I mean, what's next, Renee Fleming in A STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE? As I am sure you know, Fleming appeared as Blanche in an opera version of Streetcar. But, she is a good actress, and might be wonderful in the play. | |
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| Posted by: | Alcindoro 09:58 am EDT 08/10/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Of course not... - JohnDunlop 09:48 am EDT 08/10/14 |
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| "As I am sure you know, Fleming appeared as Blanche in an opera version of Streetcar. But, she is a good actress, and might be wonderful in the play." Yes yes, we know, we know. I think the STREETCAR opera is a bust, but an opera singer playing Blanche in an opera version is VERY different from an opera singer playing Blanche in the play. A "good" opera actress (which I think Fleming is) is a far cry from a great stage actress, which is what the play requires. | |
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| Posted by: | ryhog 11:24 am EDT 08/10/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Of course not... - Alcindoro 09:58 am EDT 08/10/14 |
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| you are of course right. But this entire discussion is just so silly. The idea that she would commit herself to months of 8 shows a week on Broadway is preposterous. | |
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| Posted by: | Alcindoro 05:20 pm EDT 08/10/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Of course not... - ryhog 11:24 am EDT 08/10/14 |
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| >But this entire discussion is just so silly.< True. But then, so many discussions here are just plain silly. What are ya gonna do? | |
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| Posted by: | larry13 01:02 pm EDT 08/10/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Of course not... - ryhog 11:24 am EDT 08/10/14 |
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| Well, when her operatic career is over with--which is NOT so far off--I don't believe the idea is so preposterous. | |
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| Posted by: | ryhog 02:14 pm EDT 08/10/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Of course not... - larry13 01:02 pm EDT 08/10/14 |
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| I am not one of the great opera singers of my lifetime, but if I were, and if my career was over, I think there are a lot of things I would rather do than show up at a Broadway theatre every night to perform. But maybe Chita Rivera can become the host of Family Feud when her theatrical career is over with. | |
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| Posted by: | JohnDunlop 03:57 pm EDT 08/10/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Of course not... - ryhog 02:14 pm EDT 08/10/14 |
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| Well it worked for Ezio Pinza, although I believe he missed quite a few performances of "South Pacific." | |
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| Posted by: | AlanScott 07:18 pm EDT 08/10/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Of course not... - JohnDunlop 03:57 pm EDT 08/10/14 |
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| Yes, he was reported to have missed a massive number of performances of South Pacific, 50 in the first six months alone. And a few months before his final performance, letters were coming in to the Times complaining about his constant absences so it seems not to have gotten better (or not much better) after the first six months. One letter writer suggested that they should just put Ray Middleton into the show immediately because at least then people wouldn't come to the theatre expecting to see Pinza and then be disappointed. In some book, but I can't remember which one, it's said that when Merrick hired him for Fanny, he got Pinza to agree to sign a contract that stipulated that Pinza would be docked pay for each performance he missed. With the result that Pinza missed very few performances. | |
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