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| Posted by: | Chazwaza 09:01 pm EDT 08/14/14 |
| In reply to: | All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Teacher64 08:41 pm EDT 08/14/14 |
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| I'm sure you're joking about NINE... it doesn't even matter what he cut or kept, he ruined that movie (and the opinion anyone who only saw the movie has of the musical). Given that ITW is a much more beloved and known musical than Nine, and that Lapine wrote the screenplay, I think it's less worrisome than Nine in the first place. And I don't think anyone would make ITW a movie and cut "No One Is Alone"... however there will be cuts, I'm sure, that will upset and disappoint people, like myself, and those people will argue, rightly I imagine, why those songs were integral and meaningful to the musical and why the movie would probably have been better with them, or how stupid it was to cut them but not replace them with something else that didn't compromise the integrity of the show. (for example, I think it's public knowledge that the Agony reprise was cut, which I think is a terrible idea... and I know Rapunzel does not die in the movie, which I also think is a terrible idea and I SINCERELY hope it doesn't mean they cut or changed too much "Witch's Lament", one of the most emotional and beautiful parts of the score, and integral to the themes and meaning of the show). However, I have been told by a friend who is a huge fan of the show and who saw a test screening, that the version she saw was very good and legitimately faithful to the show. There have been changes but apparently nothing that upset her too much. | |
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| Posted by: | Teacher64 09:34 pm EDT 08/14/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Chazwaza 09:01 pm EDT 08/14/14 |
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| Yes, I was joking about NINE. "And I don't think anyone would make ITW a movie and cut "No One Is Alone".." And yet, the same person who has directed ITW cut the song NINE from the movie NINE. When I first saw the musical NINE I was very young and I remember sitting there trying to figure out why it was called NINE. Then came the song NINE and its reprise in Act 2 (with that lyric, "You be 40 and I'll be ,,,,,,Nine." ) and suddenly I understood. But no one who sees the movie will ever understand why it is called NINE. | |
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| Posted by: | Chazwaza 10:02 pm EDT 08/14/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Teacher64 09:34 pm EDT 08/14/14 |
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| Hahaha, yes, agreed, and don't get me started on the film of NINE... I do not trust Rob Marshall as a film director of musicals as far as I can throw him, because he doesn't trust the audience and has proven it and destroyed what could have been a great movie with Nine, and skated by on Chicago. But luckily I think Sondheim and Lapine or more involved and more powerful than Maury Yeston, and like I said, Into the Woods and its songs are more known and beloved by the intended audience of the film version than Nine was, which makes me feel like it's safer... though of course, nothing is guaranteed. | |
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| Posted by: | TGWW 11:01 pm EDT 08/14/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Chazwaza 10:02 pm EDT 08/14/14 |
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| "Nine" could never be a great movie because it was never great to begin with. NO ONE was clamoring to make a movie out of it. Give Marshall credit for trying. Just remember Sondheim was also involved in "Sweeny Todd" and praised Helena Bonham Carter, on camera no less. Sorry to burst your bubble but "Into the Woods" isn't beloved either by anyone, except Sondheimites. The revival flopped, as did a free version in the park. The only reason Roundabout is doing it AGAIN is because they know they can get a very limited run sold. Once again, no one was jumping to make a movie in the 27 years since it premiered. Give Marshall credit for that too, or would you rather not have a film adaption at all? | |
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| Posted by: | Scott6263 10:43 am EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - TGWW 11:01 pm EDT 08/14/14 |
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| Bingo! You hit the nail right on the head. I've had this argument before - - "Into The Woods" is not beloved by any stretch of the imagination.....except by Sondheim fanatics. Your "average Joe" has absolutely no clue what "Into The Woods" is...no matter how much Sondheim fanatics believe otherwise. Movie musicals are a risky business....why make one of a show that isn't that well known? I saw the original "Nine" on Broadway years ago...never dreamed they'd make a film of it. They did.....it flopped. I saw the original "Into The Woods" on Broadway as well. A movie? Never thought it would happen. Fairy Tales are hot now..."Once Upon A Time" and "Grimm" on television, "Maleficent" and "Frozen" in the movies. That doesn't mean everything is fool-proof. "Jersey Boys" is a beloved show....been running for years and has music familiar to most people by a beloved singing group . Even with all of that history, the film failed. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I think the film will need a lot of luck to succeed. Here's hoping.... (BTW, I like "Into The Woods". It's one of the few Sondheim shows I enjoy). | |
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| Posted by: | Chazwaza 12:26 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Scott6263 10:43 am EDT 08/15/14 |
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| Who is this "average Joe" and what musicals do you think he has heard of? Guys and Dolls? Fiddler? Hello Dolly? etc... yes, almost everyone has heard of the musicals from the Golden Age, from 40-60 years ago, that have had decades to become classics, performed everywhere, made into movies, etc etc. The "average Joe" doesn't like or see musicals anyway... But you know, the "average Joe" often has kids... and those kids, living in America, are very likely to perform or have a friend performing in, or just going to see at their school, someday a production of Into the Woods. So more than more musicals written after 1970, "Average Joe" might have heard of Into the Woods. Jersey Boys is NOT a beloved show. Where are you getting this definition of "beloved"? A show can't be beloved until it's closed on Broadway and been performed elsewhere... and had a popular cast album, and had new generations find the show, and perform it all over... and been revived in several major productions. etc. Jersey Boys is an excellent juxbox musical that will probably have little life outside of it's hit Broadway production and flopped movie... but if it does surprise me and in 10-20 years it has a notable life outside of those two things, then I'd happily reconsider it as "beloved". And also, it doesn't not have musical familiar to "most people"... to an older crowd, yes... but to young people, even if they'd heard the songs (which they very well might have), they don't know who Franki Valli and the Four Seasons are and they certainly don't know what the title "Jersey Boys" indicated. And on top of that, the movie had no stars. Even for a popular musical, big budget hollywood movies these days almost always need stars for them to make money at the box office. Either that, or the interest of young ticket buyers. Jersey Boys had neither. Into the Woods has both, in theory. | |
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| Posted by: | Scott6263 12:46 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Chazwaza 12:26 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
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| I have had this argument with you before and I will not do so again. Think what you want. If you wish to believe that "ITW" is a beloved classic, then go ahead. Meanwhile, the countless people who don't know "ITW" (let alone think it's beloved) will believe otherwise. | |
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| Posted by: | Chazwaza 01:35 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Scott6263 12:46 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
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| I love how you put ITW in quotes as if to mock it... bizarre. | |
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| Posted by: | Scott6263 01:38 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Chazwaza 01:35 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
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| Mock it? You are waaaay off base. It's in quotes because that's what one does when one writes the proper name...."Into The Woods", "Grease", "The Sound of Music"...being a would-be writer, you should know that. | |
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| Posted by: | Chazwaza 01:58 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Scott6263 01:38 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
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| I'm not a "would-be" writer, I am a writer. A professional writer (though I often press Post without re-reading here, so if you have trouble with that I'd understand... but this isn't a professional setting, I treat it more like conversation for better or worse). Part of the point of a casual acronym like ITW is to make it faster to type... adding quotes on each side as if you are writing the proper title out seems to slightly defeat the purpose. I hope you can see why, given the above assumption, putting it in quotes can read as sarcastic or mocking. | |
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| Posted by: | Scott6263 02:14 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Chazwaza 01:58 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
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| I apologize. You are a writer. That's cool. Again, I was not not mocking anything. I was merely "quotationing" the acronym. That's all. No biggie. | |
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| Posted by: | Chazwaza 10:11 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Scott6263 02:14 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
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| No worries! | |
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| Posted by: | Chromolume 11:43 am EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Scott6263 10:43 am EDT 08/15/14 |
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| "Into The Woods" is not beloved by any stretch of the imagination.....except by Sondheim fanatics. Your "average Joe" has absolutely no clue what "Into The Woods" is...no matter how much Sondheim fanatics believe otherwise. One would think the world was made up of only two kinds of people - "average joes" and "Sondheim fanatics" - and no one else. I would wager that most "average Joes" have absolutely no clue about most musicals, Sondheim or not, and that the idea of movies based on musicals is something not generally on their radar, period. Your comments on the Jersey Boys film bear that out. WE as people interested in theatre may view that show as "beloved," but I'm sure there are plenty of so-called "average Joes" out there WHO HAVE NEVER HEARD OF IT, and who had no reference point to the film. I think there is a middle ground of people who have enough interest in the arts to appreciate musicals and musical films, but who may not identify as diehard Sondheim fans. And I would think that many of them would be interested in the film. | |
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| Posted by: | Scott6263 11:53 am EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Chromolume 11:43 am EDT 08/15/14 |
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| Go out into the street and ask folks if they ever heard of "The Sound of Music", "Grease" or "West Side Story". I guarantee most will say yes. Now ask the same question about "Into The Woods". I guarantee no. Something that is not well-known cannot be beloved...it can be liked or loved by those who do. Yes, many people do not know "Jersey Boys"...I'd wager even less know "ITW". I adore "Flower Drum Song". Hit Broadway show....Rodgers and Hammerstein....mildly successful film...beloved? No way. I might love it....but it's not beloved. I do agree with you that there is a middle ground. I'm not so sure it applies to "ITW". | |
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| Posted by: | Chromolume 12:07 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Scott6263 11:53 am EDT 08/15/14 |
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| The Sound of Music - 1959/1965 Grease - 1972/1978 West Side Story - 1957/1961 I think that speaks for itself. Number one, that was a long time ago for all 3 shows/films, and musicals aren't in the public consciousness nearly as much as they were then. Number two, these films (and shows) have all stood the test of time, and they are considered classics now, which they weren't then. | |
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| Posted by: | Scott6263 12:14 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Chromolume 12:07 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
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| "ITW" is 27 years old. That's a long time. Still not known by the masses. Doubtful "ITW" will ever be considered a classic like those. Whatever happens with the film (and I do hope it succeeds), it won't do any more for it's reputation than the film versions of "Sweeney Todd", "Nine" or "Jersey Boys" did for those shows. | |
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| Posted by: | Chazwaza 12:39 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Scott6263 12:14 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
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| But IT IS KNOWN BY MANY MASSES. Perhaps not "THE masses" that you seem to insist include all people. But name be 10 musicals written after 1970 that are known to the masses. -Les Miserables, perhaps the most popular musical ever written, ran forever, and currently running and recently made into a big movie -Phantom of the Opera... same -Cats, because of bad reputation and long long run on Broadway -Miss Saigon maybe... ...and... what? -Wicked... that might be it, and Wicked isn't something everyone's heard of for good reason either. Maybe The Producers. And Book of Mormon maybe. Monster monster hits, and 4 of the 7 I just listed are currently running. Into the Woods is one of the few that people do actually know the name of from the past 30 years who didn't see it on Broadway. Also, Sound of Music, West Side Story, and Grease have not only been around for many more decades, they are also three of the most popular musicals and movie musicals OF ALL TIME. Of course 99% of the population is going to have heard of them. The fact that you are here comparing Into the Woods to The Flower Drum Song as your argument makes me really think you're just unwilling to see the reality. No one is claiming Into the Woods is as beloved or popular as the obvious ones you listed. Nothing is. To be "beloved" you don't have to be at the level of Sound of Music and WSS or you're just not beloved. I'm not trying to argue that Assassins is "beloved"... but for a show that didn't even run 2 years originally, and a show that had no stars and no movie for the last 27 years, it is still one of the most performed and known of shows of the last 30 years, easily. If you don't think love of the show isn't part of that, then I think you're just refusing to acknowledge reality or you are arguing of semantics. | |
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| Posted by: | Scott6263 12:47 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Chazwaza 12:39 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
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| And you are a pain in the a-s. See my above reply to you, Chazwaza. | |
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| Posted by: | Chromolume 10:44 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Scott6263 12:47 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
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| And you are a pain in the a-s ...and this is the immature way people respond when they really don't have a valid point to make and just can't deal with the fact that someone disagrees with them for solid reasons. Debate is healthy. Calling someone names because they don't agree with your opinions is cowardly and troll-like. It would have been nice if this could have been a debate. You just made it clear you're not interested in discussion, just in being negative. Too bad. | |
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| Posted by: | Scott6263 09:24 am EDT 08/16/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Chromolume 10:44 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
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| I was having a debate with you. He chimed in as always with his snarky, nasty comments. You're defending him? Typical. I was doing fine with you. I guess you're just as much of a PITA as he is. | |
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| Posted by: | Chazwaza 04:30 pm EDT 08/16/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Scott6263 09:24 am EDT 08/16/14 |
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| I'm not sure I've ever read a more childish post on this board, which is saying a lot. You don't get to decide you're having a private debate in a public forum in the middle of a thread everyone would be interested, and perhaps knowledgable, about. And nothing I said was snarky and certainly not nasty, not compared to what you write. I'm sorry you can't handle someone disagreeing with you and providing solid reasons for that. If you're so shaken by such things perhaps a public theater forum is not the healthiest place for you. | |
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| Posted by: | Scott6263 09:18 am EDT 08/17/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Chazwaza 04:30 pm EDT 08/16/14 |
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| Once again, you prove my point. You are constantly snarky and childish with your email responses to anything re Sondheim. You do this repeatedly. I refuse to partake in one of your many so-called "solid points" when all you do is offer opinion as if it's fact and expect everyone to accept it. I would love nothing more than to have a healthy debate....but it's impossible with Sondheimites who have a "holier than thou" attitude in their approach. You should start your own "Sondheim" chat room so everyone agrees with you...that way, no fuss, no muss. | |
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| Posted by: | Chromolume 10:49 am EDT 08/16/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Scott6263 09:24 am EDT 08/16/14 |
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| As I said... | |
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| Posted by: | Scott6263 11:23 am EDT 08/16/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Chromolume 10:49 am EDT 08/16/14 |
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| Why don't you and Chazwaza start your own chat room called "Simply Sondheim" where only those (like you two) who think he walks on water and can do no wrong are permitted to offer opinions. That way, you won't get all offended when folks like me don't agree with you. Talk about immature..... | |
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| Posted by: | Chazwaza 04:31 pm EDT 08/16/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Scott6263 11:23 am EDT 08/16/14 |
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| How does disagreeing with you on the popularity or public knowledge of the title of Into the Woods require someone who thinks "he walks on water"? This is just basic stuff, I would have said the same thing whether I love ITW or not. You're being utterly and bizarrely ridiculous here. | |
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| Posted by: | Scott6263 09:22 am EDT 08/17/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Chazwaza 04:31 pm EDT 08/16/14 |
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| Again, that word 'bizarre'. You like that word. You used it above completely inappropriately. I am not singling out ITW (notice no quotations). I can have a debate on ITW....with someone who is dealing in reality. You feel it's a beloved classic....I do not (as others feel). I can accept that. Can you? | |
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| Posted by: | TGWW 06:25 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Scott6263 12:47 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
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| Scott, don't have a stroke. Sondheimites are insufferable. You can't love'em and you can't beat them with a rolled up Playbill from the sixteenth and final Broadway performance of "Merrily We Roll Along", although they would enjoy it. | |
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| Posted by: | Scott6263 09:25 am EDT 08/16/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - TGWW 06:25 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
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| That made my day! Thanks! :-) | |
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| Posted by: | Chazwaza 02:28 am EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - TGWW 11:01 pm EDT 08/14/14 |
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| You're absolutely wrong about your assessment of ITW... it is beloved by many many more than "Sondheimites", it is one of the most performed shows, especially among shows written in the last 35 years... and it did not flop in the park, there was crazy lines to get tickets, and people being turned away all the time (half my family couldn't get in the night I saw it). Rob Marshall isn't "making" the movie, nor did he get Chicago made, he directs them. His interest in doing it is not the reason either movie got the green light, I assure you. | |
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| Posted by: | MikeR 01:24 am EDT 08/15/14 |
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| There are currently over 300 upcoming productions of Into The Woods listed on MTI's website (I didn't count the Junior version). Somebody clearly loves the show, and it can't all be laid at the feet of "Sondheimites." Unrelated, but how does a free show that plays its scheduled run flop? | |
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| Posted by: | Teacher64 05:47 am EDT 08/15/14 |
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| While I never saw the Central Park ITW, it did not get very good reviews resulting in its Broadway transfer being cancelled. | |
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| Posted by: | AlanScott 06:48 pm EDT 08/16/14 |
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| Apart from no Broadway transfer having ever been announced, the reason why it got distinctly mixed reviews (with many of them on the negative side) was because the production was not very good. For the most part, the negative reviews were negative about the directorial choices, not about the piece. | |
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| there was no cancelled transfer... | |
| Posted by: | Chazwaza 12:09 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: All those songs cut from INTO THE WOODS film - Teacher64 05:47 am EDT 08/15/14 |
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| There were of course talks and speculations... perhaps unofficially they did it with the hope of a transfer. But there was never a Broadway transfer officially announced or "cancelled". And that certainly doesn't make the show a flop. (Also, even if there were, it could have been for many reasons including cast availability and theater availability and lack of investors able to get the cash for the production to transfer... not to mention that this was an open air outdoor production which relied quite a lot on that conceptually... transferring it to an indoor Broadway theater would have defeated much of the point of this production) | |
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| Posted by: | MikeR 11:24 am EDT 08/15/14 |
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| Was there a Broadway transfer scheduled to get cancelled? I don't recall. Sure, there was talk of a transfer, but there's talk of a transfer for everything. | |
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| Nope. I would not have made the trek into the Park on a | |
| Posted by: | Esther 11:50 am EDT 08/15/14 |
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| very badly injured knee had there been a scheduled transfer announced. It took me 35 minutes to walk from the Central Park West entrance to the Delacorte and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. I would not have done that if a transfer had been announced and waited to see it when I could have gotten dropped off right in front of whatever theater it was in. | |
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| Posted by: | Chromolume 01:39 am EDT 08/15/14 |
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| Besides, I'm not sure that everyone who likes Sondheim's work can be considered a "Sondheimite." Is it all or nothing? Most of us enjoy any number of composers/writers etc without going to extremes. Sure, there are people that love Sondheim's work above all else - but many more of us like all sorts of things including Sondheim's work. | |
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| Posted by: | tpdc 12:35 am EDT 08/15/14 |
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| If Into the Woods were only loved by Sondheim fans, then there would not have been three NY productions with another soon to arrive as well as a video and now film version. Where I live, I am sure I could find a high school, college, amateur or regional production of the show several times this year or most any year since the original production closed. | |
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| ''Chicago'' is my kind of film, ''Chicago'' is ... | |
| Posted by: | WaymanWong 10:34 pm EDT 08/14/14 |
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| I love the movie of ''Chicago.'' It's one of the best film adaptations of a musical in a long time. It's sexy and sizzling. It got 13 Academy Award nominations, won 6 of them, including Best Picture (the one and only musical that's won Best Picture since ''Oliver!'' in 1968). To me, Rob Marshall did much more than ''skate by.'' Notably, he won the Best Director prize from the DGA. As for ''Nine,'' I won't even count the ways it disappointed me. ... But rather than speculate about ''Into the Woods'' so many months before its release, I'd rather wait and see it. I remember doomsday predictions about ''Chicago,'' too. | |
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| re: ''Chicago'' is my kind of film, ''Chicago'' is ... | |
| Posted by: | Chazwaza 02:24 am EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | ''Chicago'' is my kind of film, ''Chicago'' is ... - WaymanWong 10:34 pm EDT 08/14/14 |
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| I'm not predicting doomsday for ITW, in fact what I wrote was hopeful for it despite my issues with Marshall as a director... which are based solely on his work up until now. I was probably too young at the time to have an opinion on whether or not a good movie would be made out of Chicago, but either way it would have been based on guessing the worst and the best based on nothing... right now we have evidence of what Marshall has done, and we know certain things are cut or tinkered with, and those are legit things to base speculation, fear, or hope on. Of course one should, and I do, leave the real assumptions aside when one sees the actual movie to judge based on its own merits... that doesn't mean one can't have an opinion on the director and their record or on the show being adapted or the news of what's happening in adapting it. | |
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| Posted by: | SidL 07:02 am EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: ''Chicago'' is my kind of film, ''Chicago'' is ... - Chazwaza 02:24 am EDT 08/15/14 |
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| "Class" was cut from CHICAGO and ended up as a DVD extra - and "I AM MY OWN BEST FRIEND" was not considered for the big screen - so it may be (show) business as usual -getting asses into those multiplexes seats - but who wants a carbon-copy the Broadway show just look how Fosse tinkered with CABARET and succeeded | |
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| Posted by: | Chazwaza 12:06 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: ''Chicago'' cuts - SidL 07:02 am EDT 08/15/14 |
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| Who asked for a carbon copy? However, as for who wants that? I mean... I think a musical being adapted for film should be made to work, but the less tinkering the better because more often than not (Cabaret aside) it doesn't change it for the better. When a musical I love is being made into a film, I'm not excited to think "I've seen the show on stage and can again, I'm ready for whatever new version and "interpretation" this director has for the show on film"... a film isn't just another production. I hated the business with the kid they added for the production in Central Park, but that was just for that. A movie is forever. It is the production most people in the world will see of it, and the thing they will in theory always go back to. If it's bad, they think the musical is bad. And if it's bad in part because of changes made for the film, that's always upsetting. And if it's good, then the film becomes the standard... and if it's good with changes made for the film, that's great but one always wonders what it would have been like if the director had just tried it the way it was written. (thank goodness there will always be the recording of the original production, however that is still watching a film of the play on stage, and relatively few people will ever seek it out or know it's there) I'm just rambling. But this thing with ITW and Rob Marshall, is that I think he is a twit and I think he has proven that he doesn't trust the audience and that he doesn't trust musicals... for those two reasons, I don't trust him with making THE movie of a great musical and making the sometimes tough choices about adaptation because I think he is the type who is very quick to say "well that doesn't work, I have a new idea instead" rather than being able to think creatively and effectively about how to make something work. | |
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| Posted by: | WaymanWong 12:39 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: ''Chicago'' cuts - Chazwaza 12:06 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
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| There was once a time when musicals weren't turned into movies too quickly because folks feared that a film version would cut into its Broadway grosses. Now the shoe is on the other foot. I think the reason why this revival of ''Chicago'' has run so long is because the movie was such a hit and branded it for tourists galore. Even though it would be much cheaper to just rent the DVD of ''Chicago,'' there are still many who want to see it live, not in spite of the movie, but because of it. | |
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| Posted by: | Chazwaza 01:44 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: ''Chicago'' cuts - WaymanWong 12:39 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
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| But the revival of Chicago was a long-running hit well before the movie came out... it had been running for SIX years straight by the time that happened. I have no doubt that the success of the movie helped it run for another 12 years... an impossible thing for most shows with or without a successful movie. I think in this case, because of the particulars of the show - the dancing especially, and the sexiness, and audiences knowing they like it or that it'll be worth seeing already going in - audience feel safe buying a ticket, so it has become a perennial hit. And it's so different from Phantom and Les Miz, so so different, that it's actually not a surprise that it became an institution. It's the kind of show many people now think of when they think of "Broadway", and there are very very few shows that fit the bill in the same way, especially running or soon to be running in nyc. So again, the movie I'm sure helped quite a bit... but I'm willing to bet the show would have run another 4 years at least without the movie. | |
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| Posted by: | Greg_M 02:07 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: ''Chicago'' cuts - Chazwaza 01:44 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
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| And no one ever came out humming the scenery! | |
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| Posted by: | Scott6263 02:17 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: ''Chicago'' cuts - Greg_M 02:07 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
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| That's for sure! :-) | |
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| re: ''Chicago'' is my kind of film, ''Chicago'' is ... | |
| Posted by: | sandcastle 04:43 am EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: ''Chicago'' is my kind of film, ''Chicago'' is ... - Chazwaza 02:24 am EDT 08/15/14 |
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| I love this board, but I am glad I am going to the beach on Monday and won't be near a computer. HAVING SAID THAT: I hope Into The Woods (the movie) succeeds. And I hop the darkness is retained. I too though "Chicago" (the film), delivered, Wayman. "Nine" (film) wasn't terrible. But I saw it on the Island. "Mamma Mia" (film) WAS terrible, and I saw it on the Island as well. I cheered for Meryl as she worked that precipice, however. It was good to see this with a cocktail. "Cabaret". Just saw it again. Flawless. The movie. LIZA. Weekend's here! | |
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