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| Posted by: | TheOtherOne 10:49 pm EDT 08/14/14 |
| In reply to: | Cut songs list - FrenchDip 10:31 pm EDT 08/14/14 |
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| No More? They've cut No More?! Am I crazy? I thought it was one of the show's true high points. | |
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| Posted by: | MikeR 01:14 am EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Cut songs list - TheOtherOne 10:49 pm EDT 08/14/14 |
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| I know. It's one of my favorite songs, but with no Mysterious Man (at least based on the leaked script from February), the song doesn't work. On the plus side, the show has always felt like it has two or three endings, and cutting "No More" (no matter how much I love it), helps fix that. One of the other minuses is that cutting it means the Baker has almost nothing to sing now. | |
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| Posted by: | Delvino 06:48 am EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Cut songs list - MikeR 01:14 am EDT 08/15/14 |
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| I have to agree. It does seem to offer a pile on of learned lessons. Things halt then crank up again for the voiced and sung epiphanies. I will miss "No More" musically but perhaps not in the storytelling. | |
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| Posted by: | OnceMoreWithFeeling 04:52 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Cut songs list - Delvino 06:48 am EDT 08/15/14 |
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| No More is a nice song. But it always stopped the show (in a bad way) for me. I don't see it translating well to film either. | |
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| Posted by: | Chazwaza 12:18 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Cut songs list - Delvino 06:48 am EDT 08/15/14 |
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| I don't know... I can't really imagine ITW being as layered and emotionally resonant as it is without the father/son story and the mysterious man and the incredibly important "No More"... and the cutting of that makes me worry, as I have, that Rob Marshall doesn't actually understand the material he is directing. He seems to pick projects for the STYLE he thinks he can bring to them and ignores or doesn't understand or isn't capable of directing or maintain the SUBSTANCE. And it's funny, because it's the kind of thing (style without substance) that so many people seem to think musicals are, and why they dislike them... and here, Marshall chooses musicals with lots of substance and only directs for the style. He turns musicals that are examples to the contrary, and turns them into what people expect from a musical. | |
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| Posted by: | MikeR 01:23 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Cut songs list - Chazwaza 12:18 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
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| Earlier you said that Rob Marshall wasn't making the film, but now you're laying all the blame for this cut at his feet. Lapine and Sondheim have been involved from the beginning. | |
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| Posted by: | Chazwaza 01:53 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Cut songs list - MikeR 01:23 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
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| Meaning he isn't responsible for the film being made. He is still directing it. The point was that he isn't the reason it got made... someone (you, perhaps? I forget) was trying to give Marshall credit for making the movie made... and he doesn't deserve credit for that. Harvey Weinstein does. But once the movie is funded and he is the director, it is still going to be largely or solely his vision (certainly with ITW Disney is having their say in some ways, most especially what happens to Rapunzel). I also will put blame with Lapine, and to a lesser extent Sondheim (Lapine is writing/written the screenplay, not Sondhiem) if some of these things are true of the final movie and I think they lessen the show. But I also don't know what the contracts say, perhaps they sold the rights and have little to no actual control, and also perhaps Lapine got a contract to adapt the screenplay, but to the pleasure of the director and studio, but even when having to make changes that compromise the show they originally wrote he would rather be the one making them... all of which I understand, even if I don't like. This won't change the fact that it's Marshall's film of the musical (or Disney's film as directed by Marshall), and he will get the credit or blame if it's great or ruined... and if they've cut the Baker's story and the father/son stuff and the Mysterious Man and "No More", I'll never quite understand that or accept it, even if the movie is good anyway. I'll accept the movie on it's own terms, but presumably I'll always know it could have/should have had that in it. (I won't know how I'll feel till I see it, of course) | |
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| Posted by: | MikeR 02:18 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Cut songs list - Chazwaza 01:53 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
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| I see now why I was confused. You're equating "making the film" with "getting the film produced," while I'm equating "making the film" with "being in charge on set and directing it and responsible for the day to day activities of creating the film." | |
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| Posted by: | Chazwaza 10:06 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Cut songs list - MikeR 02:18 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
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| Yes. But I think it's an important distinction when trying to give credit for the film having been made. (And in fact whether one makes a good movie out of it or not has nothing to do with the credit for getting the movie actually funded and produced.) | |
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| Posted by: | Delvino 01:05 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Cut songs list - Chazwaza 12:18 pm EDT 08/15/14 |
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| Hmmm .... Actually, putting aside my comment about the multiple endings, I tend to agree with you about the removal of the Baker's backstory (at least its real time resolution). I wonder if his crisis has the needed weight without the story pausing to consider the emotional implications. Perhaps I've just negated my own post above. | |
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| Posted by: | TheOtherOne 08:36 am EDT 08/15/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Cut songs list - Delvino 06:48 am EDT 08/15/14 |
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| Well, in all honesty, I have always thought of "Into The Woods" as a fine show but never as one of my favorites. Its score, though, is its greatest asset, and "No More" is a prime example of why. In that regard, its absence from the film is a shame. | |
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| SPOILER | |
| Posted by: | lordofspeech 04:15 am EDT 08/16/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Cut songs list - TheOtherOne 08:36 am EDT 08/15/14 |
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| SPOILER: You never know. The Baker's Wife's death could be enough to trigger the transformation of the Baker and the rest of the characters. But so cd the Giantess. There were already so many huge, thematic turning points, including the Witch's, that it's likely to me that, in eliminating the mysterious old man, the story and its arc may gain in momentum and power. | |
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| The Mysterious Man | |
| Posted by: | CamMacFan 08:19 pm EDT 08/16/14 |
| In reply to: | SPOILER - lordofspeech 04:15 am EDT 08/16/14 |
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| They may not have actually eliminated him entirely. IMDB credits Simon Russell Beale as "The Baker's Father." He has said in an interview (I think it was with Graham Norton) that it was a very quick shoot for him and that he did not get to work with Meryl Streep | |
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| Posted by: | MikeR 09:56 pm EDT 08/16/14 |
| In reply to: | The Mysterious Man - CamMacFan 08:19 pm EDT 08/16/14 |
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| The early screenplay (so things could have changed by the time it was shot) had the Baker's Father only in flashbacks. | |
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| re: Cut songs list | |
| Posted by: | AnyaS 11:15 pm EDT 08/14/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Cut songs list - TheOtherOne 10:49 pm EDT 08/14/14 |
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| I was about to post the same. No More is my favorite song in the show. If this is true, a million depressions. | |
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