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re: Idiot reviewer calling Andrew Lloyd Webber "eurotrash"

Posted by: Chromolume 11:53 pm EDT 08/14/14
In reply to: re: Idiot reviewer calling Andrew Lloyd Webber "eurotrash" - sf 06:10 pm EDT 08/14/14

I've really ever heard the term used in relation to opera productions, a synonym being "regietheatre." And I'm sure there have been some British directors who have done such productions. (I'm tempted to put John Doyle in that category - his Peter Grimes at the Met came dangerously close to what I'd consider regietheatre - but many other directors have perpetrated worse crimes.)


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re: Idiot reviewer calling Andrew Lloyd Webber "eurotrash"

Posted by: ukpaul 05:22 am EDT 08/15/14
In reply to: re: Idiot reviewer calling Andrew Lloyd Webber "eurotrash" - Chromolume 11:53 pm EDT 08/14/14

Those are two totally separate things!

Regietheater is a positive description of the prevailing style of much European theatre, whereby the director is the driving force of the production. Regietheater is exemplified by people such as Ostermeier, Vam Hove, in the UK Katie Mitchell etc. All of whom are outstanding practitioners in my opinion (and successful across Europe).

To me, and many Brits, Eurotrash is a sort of soft porn-ish, hedonistic and humorous piece of work. It's how Brits have always seen France or Italy, as being oversexed/lax in morals.

What on earth is this writer doing with the language? his application of it makes no sense to me whatsoever!


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Posted by: ukpaul 05:39 am EDT 08/15/14
In reply to: re: Idiot reviewer calling Andrew Lloyd Webber "eurotrash" - ukpaul 05:22 am EDT 08/15/14

Eurotrash ususally refers to a person rather than a thing, this person being (as I say) hedonistic and morally questionable. They have a penchant for high fashion and are consumeristoc and are therefore looked down on by hipsters.

Looking up the term it appears as though there are two totally different meanings on different sides of the Atlantic. Not quite as embarrssing as the rubber/eraser issue but adding to the incomprehension of one to the other.


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re: To add....

Posted by: ryhog 11:47 am EDT 08/15/14
In reply to: To add.... - ukpaul 05:39 am EDT 08/15/14

I don't really see the differentiation in meaning-what you describe is substantially the same as the sense I have of it, except that here we describe the people in terms of certain clubs and restaurants or shopping streets whereas I think in Europe we think of them more in terms of the current visitors frequenting Cap d'Antibes or such. I don't think there are Brits ever included in that-it is really a continental thing-and I think that perhaps the London subgenre is decidedly distinguishable-Guy Pelly would be no one's idea of eurotrash.

All that said, the point I was making was that NONE of this has anything to do with the theatre, the opera, directors et al, and it is really a bizarre misappropriation of a term that I feel pretty confident has no general application.


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re: Idiot reviewer calling Andrew Lloyd Webber "eurotrash"

Posted by: ryhog 12:18 am EDT 08/15/14
In reply to: re: Idiot reviewer calling Andrew Lloyd Webber "eurotrash" - Chromolume 11:53 pm EDT 08/14/14

wow. that's a stretch. I really don't see what that has to do with eurotrash in its accepted meaning. I'm not opposed to expanding word usage, but this one really seems at odd with the conventional meaning which is very prominent, so in that sense I fear the way some people seem to be using it in connection with the performing arts is way confusing.


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re: Idiot reviewer calling Andrew Lloyd Webber "eurotrash"

Posted by: Chromolume 12:22 am EDT 08/15/14
In reply to: re: Idiot reviewer calling Andrew Lloyd Webber "eurotrash" - ryhog 12:18 am EDT 08/15/14

I'm confused. What do you consider the "accepted meaning?" As I said, I've really only and exclusively heard the term used in the opera world, never anywhere else. Even the first time I heard the word used, it was in reference to a "concept" opera production of some sort.


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re: Idiot reviewer calling Andrew Lloyd Webber "eurotrash"

Posted by: ryhog 12:51 am EDT 08/15/14
In reply to: re: Idiot reviewer calling Andrew Lloyd Webber "eurotrash" - Chromolume 12:22 am EDT 08/15/14

well, outside of the narrow confines of the performing arts (and I've never really heard it used within those confines but I take your and others' words that it is used in that way), there is a fairly widely used and accepted meaning to the term eurotrash, and it has nothing to do with the usage you are familiar with in opera or that others are apparently familiar with in musical theatre. And that's what I was referring to.


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