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re: Cut songs list

Posted by: Chazwaza 12:18 pm EDT 08/15/14
In reply to: re: Cut songs list - Delvino 06:48 am EDT 08/15/14

I don't know... I can't really imagine ITW being as layered and emotionally resonant as it is without the father/son story and the mysterious man and the incredibly important "No More"... and the cutting of that makes me worry, as I have, that Rob Marshall doesn't actually understand the material he is directing.

He seems to pick projects for the STYLE he thinks he can bring to them and ignores or doesn't understand or isn't capable of directing or maintain the SUBSTANCE. And it's funny, because it's the kind of thing (style without substance) that so many people seem to think musicals are, and why they dislike them... and here, Marshall chooses musicals with lots of substance and only directs for the style. He turns musicals that are examples to the contrary, and turns them into what people expect from a musical.


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re: Cut songs list

Posted by: MikeR 01:23 pm EDT 08/15/14
In reply to: re: Cut songs list - Chazwaza 12:18 pm EDT 08/15/14

Earlier you said that Rob Marshall wasn't making the film, but now you're laying all the blame for this cut at his feet. Lapine and Sondheim have been involved from the beginning.


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re: Cut songs list

Posted by: Chazwaza 01:53 pm EDT 08/15/14
In reply to: re: Cut songs list - MikeR 01:23 pm EDT 08/15/14

Meaning he isn't responsible for the film being made. He is still directing it. The point was that he isn't the reason it got made... someone (you, perhaps? I forget) was trying to give Marshall credit for making the movie made... and he doesn't deserve credit for that. Harvey Weinstein does.

But once the movie is funded and he is the director, it is still going to be largely or solely his vision (certainly with ITW Disney is having their say in some ways, most especially what happens to Rapunzel).

I also will put blame with Lapine, and to a lesser extent Sondheim (Lapine is writing/written the screenplay, not Sondhiem) if some of these things are true of the final movie and I think they lessen the show. But I also don't know what the contracts say, perhaps they sold the rights and have little to no actual control, and also perhaps Lapine got a contract to adapt the screenplay, but to the pleasure of the director and studio, but even when having to make changes that compromise the show they originally wrote he would rather be the one making them... all of which I understand, even if I don't like.

This won't change the fact that it's Marshall's film of the musical (or Disney's film as directed by Marshall), and he will get the credit or blame if it's great or ruined... and if they've cut the Baker's story and the father/son stuff and the Mysterious Man and "No More", I'll never quite understand that or accept it, even if the movie is good anyway. I'll accept the movie on it's own terms, but presumably I'll always know it could have/should have had that in it. (I won't know how I'll feel till I see it, of course)


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re: Cut songs list

Posted by: MikeR 02:18 pm EDT 08/15/14
In reply to: re: Cut songs list - Chazwaza 01:53 pm EDT 08/15/14

I see now why I was confused. You're equating "making the film" with "getting the film produced," while I'm equating "making the film" with "being in charge on set and directing it and responsible for the day to day activities of creating the film."


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re: Cut songs list

Posted by: Chazwaza 10:06 pm EDT 08/15/14
In reply to: re: Cut songs list - MikeR 02:18 pm EDT 08/15/14

Yes. But I think it's an important distinction when trying to give credit for the film having been made.

(And in fact whether one makes a good movie out of it or not has nothing to do with the credit for getting the movie actually funded and produced.)


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re: Cut songs list

Posted by: Delvino 01:05 pm EDT 08/15/14
In reply to: re: Cut songs list - Chazwaza 12:18 pm EDT 08/15/14

Hmmm .... Actually, putting aside my comment about the multiple endings, I tend to agree with you about the removal of the Baker's backstory (at least its real time resolution). I wonder if his crisis has the needed weight without the story pausing to consider the emotional implications. Perhaps I've just negated my own post above.


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