| Carole Shorenstein Hays out at SHN | |
| Posted by: | MikeR 03:56 pm EDT 08/25/14 |
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| Very surprising (to me, at least). Pay special attention to the last paragraph of the article... The Curran might become unavailable to the SH-less SHN after this season. | |
| Link | https://theatrebayarea.site-ym.com/news/189310/Shorenstein-Hays-Out-at-SHN.htm |
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| I don't follow the business side of SHN... | |
| Posted by: | PatrickHSF 07:59 pm EDT 08/25/14 |
| In reply to: | Carole Shorenstein Hays out at SHN - MikeR 03:56 pm EDT 08/25/14 |
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| ...so I found the comment about her trying to sever the partnership as far back as 1991 interesting. For 23 years she's been attending board meetings and interacting with the organization's leadership? Must have pretty icey and tense at some points for such a long period of time. Wonder it took so long for her to be ousted? | |
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| she turns 66 this year | |
| Posted by: | dramedy 08:13 pm EDT 08/25/14 |
| In reply to: | I don't follow the business side of SHN... - PatrickHSF 07:59 pm EDT 08/25/14 |
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| With 2 votes on each side, it is a stalmate. My guess is that this is her choice to leave. I seems like both board members are leaving on shorenstein side. | |
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| maybe we will finally see the end of sf "first or not at all." | |
| Posted by: | dramedy 07:53 pm EDT 08/25/14 |
| In reply to: | Carole Shorenstein Hays out at SHN - MikeR 03:56 pm EDT 08/25/14 |
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| I hate how tours dont stop here if played in sac or san jose first. | |
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| Indeed | |
| Posted by: | TourBoi 10:40 pm EDT 08/25/14 |
| In reply to: | maybe we will finally see the end of sf "first or not at all." - dramedy 07:53 pm EDT 08/25/14 |
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| I can't help but see this as a win for SF audiences. Her "first or not at all" policy made lots of shows that would have done well in SF not play it at all. Hopefully that policy changes. And hopefully they'll now come to better deals with producers on par with other presenters in the region and around the country and not the restrictive financial deals that have made SF less attractive to producers than markets like Sacramento and San Jose. Hopefully this will lead to MORE shows WANTING to go into SF. | |
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| Posted by: | PatrickHSF 05:46 pm EDT 08/26/14 |
| In reply to: | Indeed - TourBoi 10:40 pm EDT 08/25/14 |
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| TourBoi…I think that is a key point, Ms. Shorenstein-Hays needs to get over her “first or never” mindset. While San Jose and San Francisco are close geographically – only 40 miles or so apart – the rise of Silicon Valley is making SJ and SF into two distinct regions. Bottom line, if the market is there – if there are “butts to fill the seats” as they say – what difference does it make? And I believe there are enough people in both regions to fill the seats. Though I’m sure SHN-SF has done marketing and research and may have facts to prove me wrong. | |
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| Posted by: | broadwaybelter 04:25 pm EDT 08/27/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Indeed - PatrickHSF 05:46 pm EDT 08/26/14 |
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| They're also notoriously difficult to work with - with or without Ms. Shorenstein Hayes. | |
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| But if it is only nederlanders at the helm | |
| Posted by: | dramedy 07:38 pm EDT 08/27/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Indeed - broadwaybelter 04:25 pm EDT 08/27/14 |
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| Wouldn't it be like other tour cities? I hope they get rid of the $10 fee per ticket for using a credit card at the boxoffice. I think only cash avoids that fee. I haven't bought a ticket at the boxoffice in years because they are usually closed unless a show is in town. | |
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| re: But if it is only nederlanders at the helm | |
| Posted by: | TourBoi 09:36 pm EDT 08/27/14 |
| In reply to: | But if it is only nederlanders at the helm - dramedy 07:38 pm EDT 08/27/14 |
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| It's quite different from other tour cities. In most cities, presenters pay a guarantee to the producers. If they sell enough tickets to "profit" above the guarantee and running costs (local crew, advertising, etc) that profit is split between presenter and producers. In SF much of the time these days, SHN refuses to pay a full guarantee, often paying as little as half, and doing a "shared risk" scenario. Now, if the show is a big smash hit, both parties make more money. But if it does "okay," producers could lose money. So when Sac and San Jose can approach and do a standard deal, they're far more attractive. It's worth mentioning that Nederlander's run San Jose (and a number of other markets which do, I believe, operate on a standard presenting deal). So with her out of the picture, perhaps SF will return to the traditional model and more shows will find SF appealing. | |
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| re: Carole Shorenstein Hays out at SHN | |
| Posted by: | shyllei 04:13 pm EDT 08/25/14 |
| In reply to: | Carole Shorenstein Hays out at SHN - MikeR 03:56 pm EDT 08/25/14 |
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| Well, that explains the next season at The Orpheum only. I do hope something gets worked out to continue usage of The Curran. As well as someone else becoming the face of the organization in San Francisco. Though I had my problems with her choices, I did appreciate seeing her mingle within the community. | |
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| What happens to Curran staff? | |
| Posted by: | MarkBearSF 01:23 am EDT 08/29/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Carole Shorenstein Hays out at SHN - shyllei 04:13 pm EDT 08/25/14 |
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| Does anyone know what happens to the Curran ushers when the theatre leaves "N" (will they go back to BoB?) Normally, when a house goes dark, does SHN shift ushers to active theaters? (or does it come down to union bidding?) | |
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| re: What happens to Curran staff? | |
| Posted by: | shyllei 04:17 pm EDT 09/02/14 |
| In reply to: | What happens to Curran staff? - MarkBearSF 01:23 am EDT 08/29/14 |
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| Yes, SHN does shift their ushers between their theaters if the usher wants to work at more than one theatre. I always appreciate seeing the same ushers at the Orpheum, Curran, and Golden Gate. | |
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| re: Carole Shorenstein Hays out at SHN | |
| Posted by: | MikeR 04:25 pm EDT 08/25/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Carole Shorenstein Hays out at SHN - shyllei 04:13 pm EDT 08/25/14 |
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| The loss of the Curran would be tragic. I certainly hope they work it out. I love that house. And totally agree that someone needs to be the local face of the organization. Love her or hate her, there's no denying that Carole Shorenstein-Hays made that organization what it is. | |
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| the more imortant aspect is its comparable size | |
| Posted by: | dramedy 07:51 pm EDT 08/25/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Carole Shorenstein Hays out at SHN - MikeR 04:25 pm EDT 08/25/14 |
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| To broadway houses for pre broadway tryout. But large houses like ahmanson and seattle paramount have launched many shows. | |
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| re: Carole Shorenstein Hays out at SHN | |
| Posted by: | PatrickHSF 04:27 pm EDT 08/25/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Carole Shorenstein Hays out at SHN - MikeR 04:25 pm EDT 08/25/14 |
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| I love the Curran, too. Great house and of the three, in the better part of town. The block is electric when ACT and the Curran are both open. Better parking and dining options, too. | |
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| re: Carole Shorenstein Hays out at SHN | |
| Posted by: | Richard Connema 05:55 pm EDT 08/25/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Carole Shorenstein Hays out at SHN - PatrickHSF 04:27 pm EDT 08/25/14 |
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| I agree the Curran is actually a theatre house while the other were former movie houses. When we go to Orpheum and Golden Gate there is no decent place to eat in those areas let along getting a drink before the show. | |
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| Martuni's | |
| Posted by: | PatrickHSF 07:55 pm EDT 08/25/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Carole Shorenstein Hays out at SHN - Richard Connema 05:55 pm EDT 08/25/14 |
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| My go-to spot after the Orpheum (as well as NCTC, Ballet, Opera, etc.) is Martuni's. Can sometimes be a bit crowded, but nice place for a night cap. | |
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