| Just called the Broadway League from Durham, NC | |
| Posted by: | Sullivan 12:42 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| About my displeasure and thousands of others on this site and everywhere. Someone said she was not sure what was going to happen. I told her someone should go into the theatre chat rooms (all that chat) specifically and find out for herself. Bob Stempin | |
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| Nice job, everyone | |
| Posted by: | MockingbirdGirl 02:14 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | Just called the Broadway League from Durham, NC - Sullivan 12:42 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| Except for ryhog, for whom this cost-free gesture of respect is an INTOLERABLE OUTRAGE!!! :-D | |
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| re: Nice job, everyone | |
| Posted by: | hitbycab 03:57 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | Nice job, everyone - MockingbirdGirl 02:14 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| I don't understand why not? This was a no brainer... Absurd | |
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| Posted by: | ryhog 03:21 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | Nice job, everyone - MockingbirdGirl 02:14 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| except that it is not a gesture of respect at all but just a necessary step to getting on with the business of making theatre without unnecessary interruption. | |
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| re: Nice job, everyone | |
| Posted by: | Billhaven 12:02 am EDT 09/10/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Nice job, everyone - ryhog 03:21 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| It's actually both things. There is respect accorded people who have amassed enough support from the public AND from producers and designers and big Broadway stars such as Jackman and MacDonald to reverse a decision. You don't know why Phil Smith changed his vote( if he did) any more than I do. Perhaps he figured it was time to get the matter settled or perhaps he got enough calls from colleagues, friend or even his wife saying he should do it. | |
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| re: Nice job, everyone | |
| Posted by: | bwaydiva1 02:18 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | Nice job, everyone - MockingbirdGirl 02:14 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| Thanks! I feel better knowing Joan got the respect she deserved and that her fans were able to come together and make it happen. | |
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| re: Just called the BroBroadway League Reverses Decision; All Theatres Will Dim Lights Tonight for Joan Rivers nm | |
| Posted by: | dreambaby 01:28 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | Just called the Broadway League from Durham, NC - Sullivan 12:42 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| Link | Broadway League Reverses Decision; All Theatres Will Dim Lights Tonight for Joan Rivers |
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| William Ivey Long's handwritten note | |
| Posted by: | MockingbirdGirl 03:09 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Just called the BroBroadway League Reverses Decision; All Theatres Will Dim Lights Tonight for J ... - dreambaby 01:28 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| Included in the NYT piece on the reversal. A class act: | |
| Link | Broadway Theaters Will Dim Lights for Joan Rivers After All |
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| re: William Ivey Long's handwritten note | |
| Posted by: | singleticket 04:25 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | William Ivey Long's handwritten note - MockingbirdGirl 03:09 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| By late Tuesday morning, several Broadway theater owners had acted unilaterally to make plans to dim their marquees for Ms. Rivers I love that Patrick Healy used the word "unilaterally". | |
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| Not a proud moment | |
| Posted by: | ryhog 01:36 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Just called the BroBroadway League Reverses Decision; All Theatres Will Dim Lights Tonight for J ... - dreambaby 01:28 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| Another diminution in the meaning of things in this world. I am guessing the next step will be what someone suggested below-a monthly dimming that erases all meaning from the gesture. Pathetic humans we are. | |
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| RE "Another diminution in the meaning of things in this world": | |
| Posted by: | Budinsky 03:51 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | Not a proud moment - ryhog 01:36 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| Yes. Awesome. | |
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| A VERY PROUD MOMENT | |
| Posted by: | Cainebj 03:41 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | Not a proud moment - ryhog 01:36 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| I would beg to disagree. To see the theater community come together to honor such a talent and supporter of theater warms my heart. Joan Rivers was one of a kind and we won't see anyone like her again in our life time. Even your comment cannot rain on Joan's parade. | |
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| Posted by: | ryhog 03:49 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | A VERY PROUD MOMENT - Cainebj 03:41 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| I have no desire to rain on Joan's parade. I just don't think hijacking someone else's gesture is a respectable way to show how one feels. I would prefer to see those folks whose gesture consists of nothing more than their | |
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| It's John Cassavetes in "The Fury"! | |
| Posted by: | sandcastle 06:23 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: A VERY PROUD MOMENT - ryhog 03:49 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| "I have no desire to rain on Joan's parade! I just don't think hijacking someone else's gesture is a respectable way to show how one feels!! I would PREFER to SEE those FOLKS whose GESTURE consists of NOTHING MORE THAN THEIR" KA-BOOM! Hogwash all over the place! | |
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| WE GET IT... | |
| Posted by: | bwaydiva1 03:54 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: A VERY PROUD MOMENT - ryhog 03:49 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| You thought they were right... That's fine...but the public has been heard. It was expressed in a very respectful manner and patrons and theater folk alike rallied. The likes of Audra McDonald, Donna Murphy, Jackie Hoffman, Hugh Jackman and others stood by this. I feel a little better knowing that someone who lived and breathed theater will get her recognition from that community. No one is forcing you to take part in this. I'll be there, needless to say. | |
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| Posted by: | portenopete 05:33 am EDT 09/10/14 |
| In reply to: | WE GET IT... - bwaydiva1 03:54 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| "Lived and breathed theatre"? That's absurd hyperbole. | |
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| re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm | |
| Posted by: | ryhog 04:41 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | WE GET IT... - bwaydiva1 03:54 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm | |
| Posted by: | MikeR 05:00 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - ryhog 04:41 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| I think we all understand what your point is. You've certainly made it enough. We just don't all agree. | |
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| re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm | |
| Posted by: | bwaydiva1 04:43 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - ryhog 04:41 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| What am I not getting? You've taken every opportunity to express your disdain for the decision to pay this honor to Joan Rivers, who sure deserves it as much as the likes of Robin Williams and James Gandolfini. | |
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| re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm | |
| Posted by: | portenopete 05:35 am EDT 09/10/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - bwaydiva1 04:43 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| I agree with you there. But why introduce the phrase "the likes of" as if Williams and Gandolfini were criminal reprobates? | |
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| re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm | |
| Posted by: | ryhog 04:52 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - bwaydiva1 04:43 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| I never, ever said that. In fact, I said that if it were my decision, I would dim the lights. That is not what this is about AT ALL. This is about forcing someone to backtrack on their own decision because people are too fucking lazy to make their own gesture. That is ALL I have objected to-the hijacking of someone else's gesture, and replacing it with the meaningless forced gesture we will have tonight. What is your next cause? Why don't you have a campaign the day after next year's Tony ceremony to grant statues to the shows you think should have won instead of the ones that did win. It's no different than what's being done here. Rendering something meaningful into something meaningless. | |
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| meaningless forced gesture we will have tonight | |
| Posted by: | Cainebj 06:20 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - ryhog 04:52 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| well clearly by the outpouring of support there is NOTHING meaningless about this who gives a rat's behind about the theater owners? the community has been heard and talk about NOT meaningless? i have never been as proud of the theater community as i have in the last 36 hours. | |
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| Posted by: | portenopete 05:44 am EDT 09/10/14 |
| In reply to: | meaningless forced gesture we will have tonight - Cainebj 06:20 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| You're right. The bravery that people have displayed in standing up to an aggressor like Charlotte St. Martin and the disrespect she showed to each and every one of us sitting in our kitchens huddled over our laptops is inspiring! I am starting an online campaign for the American Theatre Wing to bestow a Special Tony to those of us who passionately, valiantly fought the good fight and gave of ourselves at ATC. And if they don't give us the award we demand, watch out Theatre Wing: there will be hell to pay. Like Glenn Close's Alex says in FATAL ATTRACTION: " I will NOT be ignored." | |
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| Posted by: | enoch10 06:24 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | meaningless forced gesture we will have tonight - Cainebj 06:20 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| >> i have never been as proud of the theater community as i have in the last 36 hours. really? this trumps broadway cares equity fights aids and the contributions made by broadway folks for marriage equality? how 'bout audra's fundraiser for obama during the first campaign? some theaters are dimming their lights for a few seconds. perspective. | |
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| re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm | |
| Posted by: | bwaydiva1 04:57 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - ryhog 04:52 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| It will be MORE meaningful I think because we showed our support for Joan. I was taught that some things are worth fighting for. This was for me. We didn't FORCE them. The last I checked we had freedom of speech-that was what I and countless others exercised. | |
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| re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm | |
| Posted by: | ryhog 05:05 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - bwaydiva1 04:57 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| do you seriously think that Phil Smith changed his mind because of this? You forced him to do something so he could go on with business. It may be more meaningful to you, but the gesture becomes meaningless as a result. As I said, you just don't get it. Some others do. Not much more we can accomplish here. Mazel Tov for your fabulous victory. | |
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| re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm | |
| Posted by: | AC126748 05:21 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - ryhog 05:05 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| In this case, "you just don't get it" merely means "you just don't agree with me". Your assertion that the gesture is meaningless is nothing more than your personal opinion, not some incontrovertible fact. It is not based on anything else, no matter how much you bloviate. You feel one way, MANY others feel differently, and that's all she wrote. | |
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| re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm | |
| Posted by: | ryhog 05:25 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - AC126748 05:21 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| When the League is forced to reverse itself and do something it decided NOT to do, what is the meaning of the gesture? Surely not that the League thinks she deserves the honor. | |
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| re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm | |
| Posted by: | enoch10 06:17 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - ryhog 05:25 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| i totally understand your point - or at least the way you see it - but i completely disagree that having acknowledged that the outcry was so great they reversed the decision somehow makes it meaningless. i suspect it means even more. though, i suspect it had far more to do with heavy hitters and big time supporters railing than with most of the people here (and elsewhere) patting themselves on the back. i understand why you disagree. but unless you have proof - or even state you heard for a fact - that the folks who made this decision consider it meaningless you're only transferring. do you have this data? if not, the folks arguing it means something is every bit as valid as your insistence it means nothing. regardless, the gesture as public recognition of by the league is happening. everyone is free to spin it as they like. i hope this leads to less, not more, or at least more stringently-determined decisions to dim the lights. there have been some that were questionable and omissions i find unforgivable. i hate that it is so tied to celebrity. now thats it is seen as an insult not to dim the lights i'm hoping as a corrective the number will decrease and we can return to the time when, i agree, it meant more. | |
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| re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm | |
| Posted by: | ryhog 06:32 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - enoch10 06:17 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| well we certainly have some common ground in your last paragraph | |
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| re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm | |
| Posted by: | AC126748 05:51 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - ryhog 05:25 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| So when the Drama Desk Awards reinstated the Best Orchestrations category after discontinuing--as a result of, mostly, protest and outcry--it was a meaningless gesture? | |
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| re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm | |
| Posted by: | ryhog 06:08 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - AC126748 05:51 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| I have no way of know the answer to that, nor do I think it is comparable. But if they gave the award to one orchestrator and then, after a hue and cry from the public, took it back and gave it to someone else, yes I would think that would diminish the award and render it a meaningless gesture. | |
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| Posted by: | AC126748 06:17 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - ryhog 06:08 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| It's a completely comparable situation. You're being obtuse if you refuse to recognize that. But given the tenor of your posts, I'm not surprised. | |
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| re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm | |
| Posted by: | MikeR 06:15 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - ryhog 06:08 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| But that of course is not remotely what happened with the dimming. Nobody's honor was revoked in order to give it to Rivers. | |
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| re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm | |
| Posted by: | Michael_Portantiere 06:08 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| "So when the Drama Desk Awards reinstated the Best Orchestrations category after discontinuing--as a result of, mostly, protest and outcry--it was a meaningless gesture?" Excellent point! | |
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| re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm | |
| Posted by: | tandelor 05:29 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - ryhog 05:25 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| Since it is their decision to make, isn't it their right to change their decision? Do you have personal evidence they were forced to do so? | |
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| re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm | |
| Posted by: | ryhog 06:12 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - tandelor 05:29 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| it is obvious. and yes I am sure you think it isn't. But then again I do not have personal evidence you are not absurdly naive. Enjoy your "victory." | |
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| re: A VERY PROUD MOMENT | |
| Posted by: | bwaydiva1 03:43 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | A VERY PROUD MOMENT - Cainebj 03:41 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| I concur. She won't be forgotten anytime soon. | |
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| re: Not a proud moment | |
| Posted by: | buskins 02:23 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | Not a proud moment - ryhog 01:36 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| You remind me of my friend in Astoria who thinks the Frank Sinatra School of the Arts doesn't belong there since he was from Hoboken. | |
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| i'll bet michael reidel will... | |
| Posted by: | lastcall 01:58 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | Not a proud moment - ryhog 01:36 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| let us know the inside story on this. i want to know who were the bad ones who at first refused, until they saw what the ticket buying public thought of their decision. | |
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| re: Not a proud moment | |
| Posted by: | dreambaby 01:49 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | Not a proud moment - ryhog 01:36 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| I truly am not proud of having hastily posted my sloppy title above. Not a proud moment, not at all. As far as the drama around dimming the lights in honor of Joan Rivers' passing, I'm honestly more interested in the push-back of the community against the League's decision, on behalf of a celebrity many have strong feelings about. I would say that it's surprising that among all of the signifiers in the world around us, these developments are so powerfully driving your assessment of us humans as pathetic. | |
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| Posted by: | Chazwaza 01:47 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | Not a proud moment - ryhog 01:36 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| That is not what was suggested below. But I also think it's sad that you think doing it once a MONTH would somehow diminish this. How awful that this should only be reserved for the loss of someone truly famous, as if their death is a bigger loss than someone who spent their life working on Broadway but wasn't really famous. | |
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| Posted by: | ryhog 03:18 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Not a proud moment - Chazwaza 01:47 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| the point is, monthly turns it into a mass mailing of a condolence card, devoid of any genuine sentiment. Plus Joan WAS reall famous, so what does what you said mean? | |
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| Broadway League Reverses Decision; All Theatres Will Dim Lights Tonight for Joan Rivers nm | |
| Posted by: | dreambaby 01:29 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| Sorry for missing that sloppy title, folks. Wish we could edit here! | |
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| re: Just called the Broadway League from Durham, NC | |
| Posted by: | bwaydiva1 01:06 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | Just called the Broadway League from Durham, NC - Sullivan 12:42 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| LOL. That's better than I got yesterday. I still think they should admit they messed up. It wouldn't make me think less of them-MORE, in fact. | |
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| re: Just called the Broadway League from Durham, NC | |
| Posted by: | MikeR 01:10 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Just called the Broadway League from Durham, NC - bwaydiva1 01:06 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| They just announced that all theaters will dim their lights for Joan Rivers tonight. “Joan Rivers loved Broadway and we loved her. Due to the outpouring of love and respect for Joan Rivers from our community and from her friends and fans worldwide, the marquees of Broadway theatres in New York will be dimmed in her memory tonight, at exactly 6:45pm for one minute.” Charlotte St. Martin Executive Director The Broadway League | |
| Link | http://www.broadwayleague.com/ |
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| re: Just called the Broadway League from Durham, NC | |
| Posted by: | bwaydiva1 01:16 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Just called the Broadway League from Durham, NC - MikeR 01:10 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| YAY!!! Sometimes the voices are heard and answered...and this was the right thing to do. | |
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| re: Just called the Broadway League from Durham, NC | |
| Posted by: | MattH 03:38 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Just called the Broadway League from Durham, NC - bwaydiva1 01:16 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| Joan Rivers? Who? Signed... Yoko Ono | |
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