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| Posted by: | bwaydiva1 04:43 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - ryhog 04:41 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| What am I not getting? You've taken every opportunity to express your disdain for the decision to pay this honor to Joan Rivers, who sure deserves it as much as the likes of Robin Williams and James Gandolfini. | |
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| Posted by: | portenopete 05:35 am EDT 09/10/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - bwaydiva1 04:43 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| I agree with you there. But why introduce the phrase "the likes of" as if Williams and Gandolfini were criminal reprobates? | |
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| Posted by: | ryhog 04:52 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - bwaydiva1 04:43 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| I never, ever said that. In fact, I said that if it were my decision, I would dim the lights. That is not what this is about AT ALL. This is about forcing someone to backtrack on their own decision because people are too fucking lazy to make their own gesture. That is ALL I have objected to-the hijacking of someone else's gesture, and replacing it with the meaningless forced gesture we will have tonight. What is your next cause? Why don't you have a campaign the day after next year's Tony ceremony to grant statues to the shows you think should have won instead of the ones that did win. It's no different than what's being done here. Rendering something meaningful into something meaningless. | |
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| meaningless forced gesture we will have tonight | |
| Posted by: | Cainebj 06:20 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - ryhog 04:52 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| well clearly by the outpouring of support there is NOTHING meaningless about this who gives a rat's behind about the theater owners? the community has been heard and talk about NOT meaningless? i have never been as proud of the theater community as i have in the last 36 hours. | |
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| Posted by: | portenopete 05:44 am EDT 09/10/14 |
| In reply to: | meaningless forced gesture we will have tonight - Cainebj 06:20 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| You're right. The bravery that people have displayed in standing up to an aggressor like Charlotte St. Martin and the disrespect she showed to each and every one of us sitting in our kitchens huddled over our laptops is inspiring! I am starting an online campaign for the American Theatre Wing to bestow a Special Tony to those of us who passionately, valiantly fought the good fight and gave of ourselves at ATC. And if they don't give us the award we demand, watch out Theatre Wing: there will be hell to pay. Like Glenn Close's Alex says in FATAL ATTRACTION: " I will NOT be ignored." | |
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| Posted by: | enoch10 06:24 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | meaningless forced gesture we will have tonight - Cainebj 06:20 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| >> i have never been as proud of the theater community as i have in the last 36 hours. really? this trumps broadway cares equity fights aids and the contributions made by broadway folks for marriage equality? how 'bout audra's fundraiser for obama during the first campaign? some theaters are dimming their lights for a few seconds. perspective. | |
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| Posted by: | bwaydiva1 04:57 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - ryhog 04:52 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| It will be MORE meaningful I think because we showed our support for Joan. I was taught that some things are worth fighting for. This was for me. We didn't FORCE them. The last I checked we had freedom of speech-that was what I and countless others exercised. | |
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| Posted by: | ryhog 05:05 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - bwaydiva1 04:57 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| do you seriously think that Phil Smith changed his mind because of this? You forced him to do something so he could go on with business. It may be more meaningful to you, but the gesture becomes meaningless as a result. As I said, you just don't get it. Some others do. Not much more we can accomplish here. Mazel Tov for your fabulous victory. | |
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| Posted by: | AC126748 05:21 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - ryhog 05:05 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| In this case, "you just don't get it" merely means "you just don't agree with me". Your assertion that the gesture is meaningless is nothing more than your personal opinion, not some incontrovertible fact. It is not based on anything else, no matter how much you bloviate. You feel one way, MANY others feel differently, and that's all she wrote. | |
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| Posted by: | ryhog 05:25 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - AC126748 05:21 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| When the League is forced to reverse itself and do something it decided NOT to do, what is the meaning of the gesture? Surely not that the League thinks she deserves the honor. | |
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| Posted by: | enoch10 06:17 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - ryhog 05:25 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| i totally understand your point - or at least the way you see it - but i completely disagree that having acknowledged that the outcry was so great they reversed the decision somehow makes it meaningless. i suspect it means even more. though, i suspect it had far more to do with heavy hitters and big time supporters railing than with most of the people here (and elsewhere) patting themselves on the back. i understand why you disagree. but unless you have proof - or even state you heard for a fact - that the folks who made this decision consider it meaningless you're only transferring. do you have this data? if not, the folks arguing it means something is every bit as valid as your insistence it means nothing. regardless, the gesture as public recognition of by the league is happening. everyone is free to spin it as they like. i hope this leads to less, not more, or at least more stringently-determined decisions to dim the lights. there have been some that were questionable and omissions i find unforgivable. i hate that it is so tied to celebrity. now thats it is seen as an insult not to dim the lights i'm hoping as a corrective the number will decrease and we can return to the time when, i agree, it meant more. | |
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| Posted by: | ryhog 06:32 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - enoch10 06:17 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| well we certainly have some common ground in your last paragraph | |
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| Posted by: | AC126748 05:51 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - ryhog 05:25 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| So when the Drama Desk Awards reinstated the Best Orchestrations category after discontinuing--as a result of, mostly, protest and outcry--it was a meaningless gesture? | |
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| Posted by: | ryhog 06:08 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - AC126748 05:51 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| I have no way of know the answer to that, nor do I think it is comparable. But if they gave the award to one orchestrator and then, after a hue and cry from the public, took it back and gave it to someone else, yes I would think that would diminish the award and render it a meaningless gesture. | |
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| Posted by: | AC126748 06:17 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - ryhog 06:08 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| It's a completely comparable situation. You're being obtuse if you refuse to recognize that. But given the tenor of your posts, I'm not surprised. | |
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| Posted by: | MikeR 06:15 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - ryhog 06:08 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| But that of course is not remotely what happened with the dimming. Nobody's honor was revoked in order to give it to Rivers. | |
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| Posted by: | Michael_Portantiere 06:08 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - AC126748 05:51 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| "So when the Drama Desk Awards reinstated the Best Orchestrations category after discontinuing--as a result of, mostly, protest and outcry--it was a meaningless gesture?" Excellent point! | |
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| Posted by: | tandelor 05:29 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - ryhog 05:25 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| Since it is their decision to make, isn't it their right to change their decision? Do you have personal evidence they were forced to do so? | |
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| Posted by: | ryhog 06:12 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
| In reply to: | re: "WE" MAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DON'T "GET IT"...nm - tandelor 05:29 pm EDT 09/09/14 |
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| it is obvious. and yes I am sure you think it isn't. But then again I do not have personal evidence you are not absurdly naive. Enjoy your "victory." | |
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