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re: CATO to protest THE DEATH OF KLINGHOFFER @ Met Opera

Posted by: enoch10 12:20 pm EDT 09/14/14
In reply to: re: CATO to protest THE DEATH OF KLINGHOFFER @ Met Opera - mamaleh 07:15 pm EDT 09/13/14

this post is exactly why this opera DOES need to be performed. this kind of simplistic spin held sway for too many years and did too much damage domestically and internationally. the people opposing gelb's decision to have KLINGHOFFER performed misunderstand the cause and the symptom. the genie is out of the bottle, the toothpaste out of the tube and there's no going back to believing events on this scale are black and white. they're more complicated and the world isn't just catching on it's caught on. stopping a production of this opera won't get the genie back in the bottle or the toothpaste back in the tube.

it's not often i find myself defending a decision by peter gelb and it doesn't alter one whit my conviction that gelb's gotta go. but for this - i applaud him.


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re: CATO to protest THE DEATH OF KLINGHOFFER @ Met Opera

Posted by: truefan 12:49 pm EDT 09/14/14
In reply to: re: CATO to protest THE DEATH OF KLINGHOFFER @ Met Opera - enoch10 12:20 pm EDT 09/14/14

Please explain how it's ever acceptable to push a wheelchair bound man overboard and I'll agree. I don't care about the rational.

After you do that explain how you behead a man on a video. OK you hate America. You had an unhappy childhood in the U.K. Is that enough reason?


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re: CATO to protest THE DEATH OF KLINGHOFFER @ Met Opera

Posted by: AlanScott 04:18 pm EDT 09/14/14
In reply to: re: CATO to protest THE DEATH OF KLINGHOFFER @ Met Opera - truefan 12:49 pm EDT 09/14/14

I'm not seeing that anyone said it was ever acceptable to push a wheelchair-bound man overboard.


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re: CATO to protest THE DEATH OF KLINGHOFFER @ Met Opera

Posted by: LegitOnce 01:52 am EDT 09/16/14
In reply to: re: CATO to protest THE DEATH OF KLINGHOFFER @ Met Opera - AlanScott 04:18 pm EDT 09/14/14

I believe that was in the second act of The Man Who Came to Dinner.


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re: CATO to protest THE DEATH OF KLINGHOFFER @ Met Opera

Posted by: enoch10 01:41 pm EDT 09/15/14
In reply to: re: CATO to protest THE DEATH OF KLINGHOFFER @ Met Opera - AlanScott 04:18 pm EDT 09/14/14

this is EXACTLY why that kind of logic works. well, if you approve of a production of KLINGHOFFER then you support throwing a wheel-chair bound man overboard. and for years and years and years this kind of "logic" held sway. it is only very recently that people have spoken up and gone, wait - this is more complicated than that.

and that is what terrifies the people who've tried - and until very recently succeeded - to control the parameters of the discussion. which is exactly what these protests are.

that's why art is so transgressive. questions can be asked and lights can be shined on previously unexamined aspects of things. and for the folks who want to keep discussions like this as binary (we're good and they're bad) as possible and simple (we're always right and they're always wrong) as possible this is a very real threat. as art - even now - can be. they're right to object.

as james dickey used to say - it's the stuck pig who squeals.


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re: CATO to protest THE DEATH OF KLINGHOFFER @ Met Opera

Posted by: whereismikeyfl 07:31 pm EDT 09/14/14
In reply to: re: CATO to protest THE DEATH OF KLINGHOFFER @ Met Opera - AlanScott 04:18 pm EDT 09/14/14

I think this action is so far beyond what anyone can imagine as acceptable that no journalistic account can explain it. It takes a novel or opera to give us any idea of who the people are who did this action.

Maybe it is just me, but any understanding I have of how people do horrible things comes from artistic works rather than straightforward reporting.


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re: CATO to protest THE DEATH OF KLINGHOFFER @ Met Opera

Posted by: JohnDunlop 08:08 pm EDT 09/14/14
In reply to: re: CATO to protest THE DEATH OF KLINGHOFFER @ Met Opera - whereismikeyfl 07:31 pm EDT 09/14/14

"Maybe it is just me, but any understanding I have of how people do horrible things comes from artistic works rather than straightforward reporting."

Just one example. There was excellent reporting on the Malaysian plane crash in eastern Ukraine by regular journalists and freelancers, including from the crash scene on YouTube. I understand your point, when the situation is more complicated than the war in Ukraine, but you are still making a sweeping statement.

For the record, I am strongly against the protest at the Met over Klinghoffer.


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