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Come on

Posted by: Ann 11:42 pm EST 11/17/14
In reply to: Just who is this Matthew Murray anyway? - pecansforall 11:30 pm EST 11/17/14

You've been around here for at least 10 years. You can't be shocked he has a day job (which, as an editor, is not just being "an IT guy"). We have published (guessing at the number) 2,000+ reviews he has written, over more than 12 years. He's an experienced reviewer.


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re: Come on

Posted by: broadwaybacker 11:58 pm EST 11/17/14
In reply to: Come on - Ann 11:42 pm EST 11/17/14

His bitter review seemed unduly cruel to me and felt very personal. Maybe Bill Russell didn't buy him a drink at an ATC party (not that I know whether or not Murray has ever attended one.)


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re: Come on

Posted by: enoch10 01:42 pm EST 11/18/14
In reply to: re: Come on - broadwaybacker 11:58 pm EST 11/17/14

let me get this right: you feel justified in making a personal attack on someone for doing their job in a way you feel comes off as a personal attack?


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re: Come on yourself

Posted by: broadwaybacker 03:46 pm EST 11/18/14
In reply to: re: Come on - enoch10 01:42 pm EST 11/18/14

Unlike other posters who DID attack Murray personally by questioning his bona fides as a critic, I did no such thing. Perhaps you should read what I wrote again. We've all read many pans, but to me what Murray wrote felt (that's subjective) unduly cruel and personal. That's my opinion, which I'm just as entitled to have as he is.


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re: Come on yourself

Posted by: enoch10 08:59 pm EST 11/18/14
In reply to: re: Come on yourself - broadwaybacker 03:46 pm EST 11/18/14

>> Perhaps you should read what I wrote again.

you mean this part:

>> Maybe Bill Russell didn't buy him a drink at an ATC party


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re: Come on yourself

Posted by: MikeR 04:48 pm EST 11/18/14
In reply to: re: Come on yourself - broadwaybacker 03:46 pm EST 11/18/14

You questioned his motivations, suggesting that he wrote a negative review because he was personally slighted by Bill Russell. That may not be questioning his bona fides as a critic, but it's still a personal attack.


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re: Come on yourself

Posted by: Ann 05:10 pm EST 11/18/14
In reply to: re: Come on yourself - MikeR 04:48 pm EST 11/18/14

I do think that was obviously a joke, and he was trying to lighten things up a bit.


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Forget the "obviously"

Posted by: Ann 05:11 pm EST 11/18/14
In reply to: re: Come on yourself - Ann 05:10 pm EST 11/18/14

I read it as a joke.


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re: Forget the "obviously"

Posted by: broadwaybacker 12:49 pm EST 11/19/14
In reply to: Forget the "obviously" - Ann 05:11 pm EST 11/18/14

Well I thought it was obvious when I added that I didn't even know if Murray ever went to an ATC party. :)

At least you (and several others) got it.

PS--Has he?


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re: Come on

Posted by: garyd 12:40 am EST 11/18/14
In reply to: re: Come on - broadwaybacker 11:58 pm EST 11/17/14

He did not like this incarnation of the work. He stated his opinion and backed it up with credible and detailed rationale. You may not agree and I may not agree but I do not see evidence of a personal vendetta or bitterness.


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re: Come on

Posted by: MikeR 01:41 am EST 11/18/14
In reply to: re: Come on - garyd 12:40 am EST 11/18/14

Exactly! He spelled out every single thing he didn't like about the show. His evaluation isn't coming from nowhere, it's all clearly supported. And people react like he killed their children. Maybe he didn't buy them drinks at an ATC party.


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re: Come on

Posted by: garyd 12:40 pm EST 11/18/14
In reply to: re: Come on - MikeR 01:41 am EST 11/18/14

And here I thought drinks were included at ATC parties. :)


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