| What's next for the St James? | |
| Posted by: | Genealley 12:02 am EST 11/18/14 |
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| Where will Hunchback end up? | |
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| re: What's next for the St James? | |
| Posted by: | Chromolume 02:31 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | What's next for the St James? - Genealley 12:02 am EST 11/18/14 |
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| I don't know about Hunchback. I'm sure when the show is ready to be produced, it will find a theatre. Meanwhile, it looks like what's next for the St. James may be a nice comfortable run of Side Show. Well, you asked...that's just not the answer you wanted to hear, and don't think we don't know that. Troll. | |
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| Wow...so defensive | |
| Posted by: | Genealley 02:36 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: What's next for the St James? - Chromolume 02:31 pm EST 11/18/14 |
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| Are you a backer in that show? Or a performer? | |
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| the owner of the theater is a backer of the show | |
| Posted by: | dramedy 04:29 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | Wow...so defensive - Genealley 02:36 pm EST 11/18/14 |
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| which can come in handy in playing with the weekly cost numbers. | |
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| re: Wow...so defensive | |
| Posted by: | Chromolume 02:59 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | Wow...so defensive - Genealley 02:36 pm EST 11/18/14 |
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| No, not at all. I just think you're being very divisive, and I wonder why you think that's so necessary. | |
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| Guess you chose not to read the rest of my posts nm | |
| Posted by: | Genealley 03:01 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Wow...so defensive - Chromolume 02:59 pm EST 11/18/14 |
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| Or misinterpreted what you read. | |
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| re: Guess you chose not to read the rest of my posts nm | |
| Posted by: | Chromolume 03:07 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | Guess you chose not to read the rest of my posts nm - Genealley 03:01 pm EST 11/18/14 |
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| Not sure what you mean. You started with a very calculated, troll-like dig at Side Show by asking what's next at the theatre in which it is now playing. After some disparaging remarks (which I imagine you not only expected, but counted on), you tried to play the innocent "oh, I'm only wondering where Hunchback will go, and I certainly didn't mean to attack the current show at the St James" game. Right. | |
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| Guess I should be flattered but | |
| Posted by: | Genealley 08:26 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Guess you chose not to read the rest of my posts nm - Chromolume 03:07 pm EST 11/18/14 |
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| why would anyone except for you even CARE what I thought or wrote. I'm just...well...chatting... I'm sure my comments are not going to sink or float ANY Broadway show. But thanks for caring. | |
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| Trolls! Drama! We Share Everything! | |
| Posted by: | sandcastle 07:00 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Guess you chose not to read the rest of my posts nm - Chromolume 03:07 pm EST 11/18/14 |
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| I don't think the OP was being divisive; I think he is being probably prescient. Aside from the Isherwood (ISHERWOOD) NY Times review, this show will need extended good will through enthusiastic word of mouth. Which it isn't getting outside of this chat board. I saw the original and liked it very much. I was pulling for this revival, until I heard they CUT "We Share Everything." My favorite number. I'll buy extra Christmas gifts instead. | |
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| re: Trolls! Drama! We Share Everything! | |
| Posted by: | MikeR 08:43 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | Trolls! Drama! We Share Everything! - sandcastle 07:00 pm EST 11/18/14 |
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| I'm not sure what you're getting at with that Isherwood (ISHERWOOD) reference. Nobody outside this chat board cares or notices who wrote the Times review. And there have been several instances on this site when people have posted "Brantley's review" when the byline clearly says Isherwood. | |
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| re: Trolls! Drama! We Share Everything! | |
| Posted by: | Chromolume 09:53 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Trolls! Drama! We Share Everything! - MikeR 08:43 pm EST 11/18/14 |
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| Isn't Isherwood (ISHERWOOD) the guy who wrote Cabaret? ;-) | |
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| The world out there can be so unkind! | |
| Posted by: | Genealley 09:03 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Trolls! Drama! We Share Everything! - MikeR 08:43 pm EST 11/18/14 |
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| You mean...no one besides the "Chatterers" really CARES about any of this? Pass the knife! | |
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| re: The world out there can be so unkind! | |
| Posted by: | sandcastle 09:49 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | The world out there can be so unkind! - Genealley 09:03 pm EST 11/18/14 |
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| Who will love me as I am? | |
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| re: Guess you chose not to read the rest of my posts nm | |
| Posted by: | marco49 03:43 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Guess you chose not to read the rest of my posts nm - Chromolume 03:07 pm EST 11/18/14 |
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| Most posters on these boards, lick their chops, when they THINK something is in trouble, get a life people, live and let live! | |
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| re: Guess you chose not to read the rest of my posts nm | |
| Posted by: | Ann 03:48 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Guess you chose not to read the rest of my posts nm - marco49 03:43 pm EST 11/18/14 |
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| No, most don't. | |
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| Agreed | |
| Posted by: | mattyp4 03:30 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Guess you chose not to read the rest of my posts nm - Chromolume 03:07 pm EST 11/18/14 |
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| And you made your thoughts on Sideshow known last week. Not that you HAVE to love a show. Obviously we're all entitled to our opinion. But own up to your snark! Don't back-peddle & claim it was an honest Hunchback "inquiry". | |
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| They're hoping to book Megan Hilty for the 2025 revival of GYPSY. | |
| Posted by: | TheOtherOne 01:12 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | What's next for the St James? - Genealley 12:02 am EST 11/18/14 |
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| Personally I think she'll still be too young, but I'm glad they have a long time to mull it over. | |
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| we still have to get through two GYPSY revivals | |
| Posted by: | dramedy 01:19 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | They're hoping to book Megan Hilty for the 2025 revival of GYPSY. - TheOtherOne 01:12 pm EST 11/18/14 |
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| before then | |
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| re: we still have to get through two GYPSY revivals | |
| Posted by: | LegitOnce 05:34 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | we still have to get through two GYPSY revivals - dramedy 01:19 pm EST 11/18/14 |
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| Catherine Zeta-Jones and who else? | |
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| re: we still have to get through two GYPSY revivals | |
| Posted by: | Chromolume 07:24 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: we still have to get through two GYPSY revivals - LegitOnce 05:34 pm EST 11/18/14 |
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| Perhaps Streisand will decide she doesn't wanna do the film after all...because she wants to do a stage production instead. ;-) | |
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| A nice run for Side Show with these reviews ... | |
| Posted by: | John_Patti 12:58 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | What's next for the St James? - Genealley 12:02 am EST 11/18/14 |
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| "What's next for the St James?" A healthy run for Side Show “A stunning soaring, must-see musical.” AP "Beautiful and wrenching …electrifying … engrossing… it’s an essential ticket for the fall season” NY Times “A spectacular revival a stunning achievement and a must-see attraction for anyone who cares about serious musical theater.” AM NY “Side Show brings thrills, chills and compassion. Darkly glittering "Come look at the freaks," they sing, but this Side Show reminds us, at every turn, of the humanity they share with us — all of us.” USA Today “An emotionally transporting, melodically rich and, yes, profoundly entertaining evening - a Broadway musical with beautiful music that forces you to think.” Washington Post “Mesmerizing entertainment veined throughout with haunting poignancy. Dazzling showmanship, emotional power a hypnotic spectacle that packs an emotional wallop.” Hollywood Reporter “A stellar revision so radical and deeply satisfying that arguments could be made for calling it new. The sisters may sing "goodbye to the side show," but Broadway is saying hello.” Newsday “A smashing new revival “Side Show” now takes its place in the pantheon of great American musicals.” The Wrap “With spectacular visuals and heart-pounding music, Side Show is everything you could ask for from a great night on Broadway. This darkly beautiful production will send you humming its catchy score out onto 44th street.” Theatermania | |
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| What a lovely collection of pull quotes. | |
| Posted by: | Delvino 03:16 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | A nice run for Side Show with these reviews ... - John_Patti 12:58 pm EST 11/18/14 |
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| Well, yours is the first compilation I've read, and it's a persuasive and moving one indeed. In watching the internet documentary on the making of the musical, first time out, Azenberg talks about Brantley's review being a rave that didn't say "you must go." I couldn't help but think of that in re-visiting Isherwood's in hard copy early this morning. (And what glorious photos with the Times appraisal. The one atop the review is quite stunning, the period evocation which the revisal painstakingly recreates, very much evident, making this shot a signature one for this production.) This time, the Times calls it "essential this fall season" and "And it's just a wonderful musical." These are eerily the words Azenberg bemoans as missing in the Brantley rather more measured approach. What's worth noting, too: This show has twice captured the hearts and minds of the NY Times critics. It's good news that 17 years later, a new addition to the team had a response similar to Brantley's, and posited an enthusiastic affirmation of the show's artistry, and the audience experience, in new and solid marketing terms. I'm with you. Let this words now do their job, and make the show "essential" to many. | |
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| re: What a lovely collection of pull quotes. | |
| Posted by: | Ann 03:58 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | What a lovely collection of pull quotes. - Delvino 03:16 pm EST 11/18/14 |
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| Does it matter (to anyone) that it's Isherwood and not Brantley, and why did Isherwood review Side Show. Did he review f before? | |
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| He reviewed the KC production back in June... | |
| Posted by: | garyd 04:43 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: What a lovely collection of pull quotes. - Ann 03:58 pm EST 11/18/14 |
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| did he not? I guess that may be the reason. However, I seem to remember that he reviewed the Cincinnati production of "Company" and Brantley reviewed the NYC production. (I didn't look that up so could be wrong. ) | |
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| re: He reviewed the KC production back in June... | |
| Posted by: | MikeR 04:47 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | He reviewed the KC production back in June... - garyd 04:43 pm EST 11/18/14 |
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| Yes, Isherwood reviewed it in DC. The Times generally has the same critic review a show in NYC when he previously reviewed the tryout. Isherwood raved about the DC production, and I imagine that review was a strong motivating factor in the decision to bring it into NY. | |
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| Re-reviewing the situation | |
| Posted by: | WaymanWong 11:43 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: He reviewed the KC production back in June... - MikeR 04:47 pm EST 11/18/14 |
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| I agree. If Isherwood had panned ''Side Show'' in D.C., it's unlikely this would've moved to Broadway. Yes, usually if Isherwood has praised something out of town (like ''Come Fly Away,'' ''American Idiot''), he will re-review it in NYC, amping up and justifying his earlier praise. It's rare for a critic to reverse himself. Also, having the same critic re-review a show means his opinion doesn't get challenged. Imagine how embarrassing it would be if Isherwood raved about something that moved to Broadway, only to have it shot down by Ben Brantley. Similarly if Brantley has praised something Off-Broadway and that show moves to Broadway, he re-reviews it. | |
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| Posted by: | WaymanWong 11:54 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | Re-reviewing the situation - WaymanWong 11:43 pm EST 11/18/14 |
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| P.S. I just thought of an exception. Brantley wasn't that wild about ''The Scottsboro Boys'' at the Vineyard. When it moved to Broadway, it was reviewed by Isherwood. (I'm assuming Brantley took a pass on reviewing it a second time.) | |
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| And I don't think it changed much, if at all, from the Kennedy Center | |
| Posted by: | Ann 05:07 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: He reviewed the KC production back in June... - MikeR 04:47 pm EST 11/18/14 |
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| Did anyone see it in DC and New York? | |
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| re: And I don't think it changed much, if at all, from the Kennedy Center | |
| Posted by: | Delvino 07:56 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | And I don't think it changed much, if at all, from the Kennedy Center - Ann 05:07 pm EST 11/18/14 |
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| I did not, but from what I have read, including the Washington Post review this morning, the biggest changes involved tightening the act one flashback sequence (someone can tell us: did they edit Houdini's song? Post La Jolla?), and: keeping the old "Tunnel of Love" melody used in a entirely different wedding sequence in DC, now redistributed to form "A Great Wedding Show." Bruceb at this board explained that to me here early in previews. It's a brand new sequence, in New York. I don't believe anything else was added. | |
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| re: And I don't think it changed much, if at all, from the Kennedy Center | |
| Posted by: | Ann 08:08 pm EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: And I don't think it changed much, if at all, from the Kennedy Center - Delvino 07:56 pm EST 11/18/14 |
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| It certainly looked ready to go in DC. Now (or later), we'll see about Little Dancer ... | |
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| Cruel and nasty | |
| Posted by: | seeseveryshow 12:41 am EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | What's next for the St James? - Genealley 12:02 am EST 11/18/14 |
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| I believe you must realize that many many people associated directly and indirectly with SIDE SHOW are regular posters on this board. That headline you just put up is cruel and nasty, especially to them. You've made your views about the show known loud and clear in the thread below Matthew Murray's review. Enough is enough. Have you no decency, Sir? | |
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| Posted by: | twocents 09:43 am EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | Cruel and nasty - seeseveryshow 12:41 am EST 11/18/14 |
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| ^^ Well said. | |
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| Posted by: | JayBee 06:48 am EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | Cruel and nasty - seeseveryshow 12:41 am EST 11/18/14 |
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| A little overly sensitive , no? Come now. Haven't you learned by now that this board is almost exclusively for the cruel and nasty .... And pompous. Buck up. | |
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| I just want to know where Hunchback will go. | |
| Posted by: | Genealley 12:54 am EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | Cruel and nasty - seeseveryshow 12:41 am EST 11/18/14 |
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| I don't think any other theatre has a chance for vacancy soon. Not wishing SIDE SHOW any bad energy. I just LOVE Hunchback! Those people deserve a chance on Broadway too. | |
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| Neil Simon also---Last Ship can't last through the spring. | |
| Posted by: | dramedy 09:49 am EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | I just want to know where Hunchback will go. - Genealley 12:54 am EST 11/18/14 |
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| I doubt that Sting taking over a role will help much. | |
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| if/then can't last long | |
| Posted by: | dramedy 07:11 am EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | I just want to know where Hunchback will go. - Genealley 12:54 am EST 11/18/14 |
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| And let's mis probavly needs to make $500k plus a week. It's been bouncing around $650k most of the fall and at 50% potential gross last week. It's probably on the fence of staying put unless the shuberts have a better show to put in there. | |
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| re: if/then can't last long | |
| Posted by: | JohnPopa 09:11 am EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | if/then can't last long - dramedy 07:11 am EST 11/18/14 |
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| I imagine most people assume If/Then will close whenever Menzel leaves. I thought they'd try to keep 'Les Mis' running until they're ready to bring the 'Saigon' revival over, but 'Les Mis' seems to have slowed down a bit. | |
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| it has to be losing money now | |
| Posted by: | dramedy 09:47 am EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: if/then can't last long - JohnPopa 09:11 am EST 11/18/14 |
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| it made only 36% of potential gross last week. the week before was $569K which after you take 8% fees off, is just above $500K, which is probably break even for that show. i doubt that they can financially wait until her contract is over which is probably feb. Les mis started off well, but has really taken a dive. It was probably just too early for a second revival of the show. | |
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| re: I just want to know where Hunchback will go. | |
| Posted by: | KingSpeed 02:03 am EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | I just want to know where Hunchback will go. - Genealley 12:54 am EST 11/18/14 |
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| But you DID wish SIDE SHOW bad energy. You asked what is going in their theater next as if that might be soon. | |
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| re: I just want to know where Hunchback will go. | |
| Posted by: | FrenchDip 01:09 am EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | I just want to know where Hunchback will go. - Genealley 12:54 am EST 11/18/14 |
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| They are playing the Papermill Playhouse in March which would make a spring opening in New York unlikely. There will probably be several houses available for a summer/fall 2015 opening on Broadway. | |
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| it is the second production of the show | |
| Posted by: | dramedy 07:38 am EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: I just want to know where Hunchback will go. - FrenchDip 01:09 am EST 11/18/14 |
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| So might be more ready than aladdin or newsies that had only one production and needed time to refine for Broadway. With the fall musicals so far not much competition for Tonys, disney may see how things shape up to rush in. However, I suspect tonight's first preview of honeymoon will make it the show to beat. | |
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| re: I just want to know where Hunchback will go. | |
| Posted by: | MikeR 01:56 am EST 11/18/14 |
| In reply to: | re: I just want to know where Hunchback will go. - FrenchDip 01:09 am EST 11/18/14 |
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| Yeah, they won't be able to open on Broadway (assuming that's going to happen, which seems likely) until next season. | |
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