| re: I've been waiting for "Some of Christine's high notes are on tape" at PHANTOM. | |
| Posted by: | enoch10 03:11 pm EST 11/19/14 |
| In reply to: | re: I've been waiting for "Some of Christine's high notes are on tape" at PHANTOM. - Michael_Portantiere 01:31 pm EST 11/19/14 |
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| i almost kind of respect him for this and i don't mean in the sadistic way. knowing a score is complex and a performer can still do it is exciting. i'd rather have two people in the role who could actually do it even if they did it fewer nights a week. but then that would cost money ... the bottom line is find people who can do it. i don't see why the "it's too hard" response should work any better for producers than it does for anyone else in the theater. yes, finding someone who can fit the bill is hard. being able to do hard things is called talent. i blame the audience more for letting them get away with it. | |
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| Before we let it go: was the Andrews tape controversial? | |
| Posted by: | Delvino 03:53 pm EST 11/19/14 |
| In reply to: | re: I've been waiting for "Some of Christine's high notes are on tape" at PHANTOM. - enoch10 03:11 pm EST 11/19/14 |
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| It was slightly before this board's time (I'm sure Ann will correct me, but it was before the pile-on of people like me!) Was it controversial? Did Andrews get any flack for cheating that run? It was a famous one in the film, and I do believe we all expected her to make an attempt. And then somewhere, were told she didn't do it. I thought it was obvious in the theater, unlike -- here we go again -- the Christine note, which 95% of the audience has not clue she doesn't hit. | |
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| re: Before we let it go: was the Andrews tape controversial? | |
| Posted by: | enoch10 04:25 pm EST 11/19/14 |
| In reply to: | Before we let it go: was the Andrews tape controversial? - Delvino 03:53 pm EST 11/19/14 |
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| i don't remember. i remember not liking VICTOR VICTORIA but i had moved away by that point (this was 95, 96, right?) and when i would come in i would catch as much theater as i could and i'm not good at that. when i would see lots of things like that back to back they would all be one big blur by the time i got home - let alone at this late date. it's possible i knew because who i saw it with was pretty plugged in - but i disliked pretty much everything about VV so if i knew it was just one more thing not to like. i disliked it enough that i gave up the chance to see liza minnelli in it. the same person i'd seen it with before could get tickets. for some reason, at the time, that just didn't seem like quite a good enough reason to fly back in. i have no idea what i was thinking - other than liza's vocals were already less than stellar by then and i really, really, didn't like VV. still, now i wish i had seen her in it. was liza's voice taped for this number? | |
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| Liza in V/V | |
| Posted by: | sandcastle 06:46 pm EST 11/19/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Before we let it go: was the Andrews tape controversial? - enoch10 04:25 pm EST 11/19/14 |
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| I saw her opening night (sensational). And what turned out to be her last perf (voice just gave out, she was still sensational). She acted the hell out of this silly role. She wasn't taped. | |
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| re: Liza in V/V | |
| Posted by: | Delvino 10:58 pm EST 11/19/14 |
| In reply to: | Liza in V/V - sandcastle 06:46 pm EST 11/19/14 |
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| When I went, she was out. I got a refund. I later second acted it with her understudy, the gifted Ms. Runnolfson Also second acted with Welch. | |
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| Correction | |
| Posted by: | enoch10 03:17 pm EST 11/19/14 |
| In reply to: | re: I've been waiting for "Some of Christine's high notes are on tape" at PHANTOM. - enoch10 03:11 pm EST 11/19/14 |
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| i dont blame the audience. it isn't that hard to fool an audience into thinking the actress is really hitting those notes. i blame the critics/journalists for not shaming them. if they made a big enough stink about it - i'm not just talking about PHANTOM i mean everyone who goes beyond sweetening - audiences would push back. at the risk of sounding like someone (still) complaining about the performers being miked (which i will be happy to do, especially considering this is where all this deception started) i'd be happy if they did away with sweetening altogether. who cares if singers are winded after dancing? audiences didn't care for generations and they wouldn't now. | |
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| Posted by: | Holland 04:59 pm EST 11/19/14 |
| In reply to: | Correction - enoch10 03:17 pm EST 11/19/14 |
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| "who cares if singers are winded after dancing? audiences didn't care for generations and they wouldn't now." I'm in agreement with you, but the difference between then and now is that there used to be a singing chorus and a dancing chorus, so everyone could do what they do best and still end with a strong finish. And the lead would be more likely not to participate in the dance break and step back at the end in full voice. Personally, I'm a big fan of the single threat. | |
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| re: Correction | |
| Posted by: | enoch10 05:25 pm EST 11/19/14 |
| In reply to: | re: Correction - Holland 04:59 pm EST 11/19/14 |
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| yes, so really we are once again back to money because of course we could still have those things. i'm a fan of the single threat, too, and, yes, you have to choreograph with this in mind but there are actors capable of dancing well and singing. i've seen it. it's just easier and cheaper to fake it. | |
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