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| Posted by: | Circlevet 12:51 pm EST 01/19/15 |
| In reply to: | re: You read that from me - perfectlyfrank 10:48 pm EST 01/18/15 |
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| And Honeymoon in Vegas is the story of a guy who loses his finance in card game to a gangster that she has to go to Hawaii with for the weekend. At least Gigi said "no, I won't be a prostitute". Where is the logic in any of this. | |
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| Posted by: | enoch10 04:56 pm EST 01/19/15 |
| In reply to: | re: You read that from me - Circlevet 12:51 pm EST 01/19/15 |
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| >> At least Gigi said "no, I won't be a prostitute". no. she does not ever say anything remotely like this because this was never an option. no one is proposing that gigi become a prostitute. the french had prostitutes and the french had courtesans and they were not the same thing. i'm curious. do you think madame armfeldt was a prostitiute? | |
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| Posted by: | whereismikeyfl 10:44 pm EST 01/19/15 |
| In reply to: | re: You read that from me - enoch10 04:56 pm EST 01/19/15 |
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| You might want to consult a few dictionaries, because a courtesan is indeed a prostitute, though usually with a more upscale clientele. And of course Madame Armfeldt was a prostitute. The song Liasons is about the lowering standards in craft, respect, and price in her profession. | |
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| re: You read that from me | |
| Posted by: | enoch10 03:42 pm EST 01/20/15 |
| In reply to: | re: You read that from me - whereismikeyfl 10:44 pm EST 01/19/15 |
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| i'd return the suggestion to read some books but make sure they aren't all dictionaries. | |
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| Posted by: | BroadwayTonyJ 09:00 pm EST 01/19/15 |
| In reply to: | re: You read that from me - enoch10 04:56 pm EST 01/19/15 |
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| Gigi says, "I don't want to." When pressed by Gaston, she proclaims that he wants her to sleep in his bed and that when he tires of her, she will have to find another rich gentleman, whose bed she will have to sleep in. She doesn't want to. This is Paris in the early 1900's -- there is no monarchy -- France is a republic, and a courtesan is a prostitute for rich gentlemen. I love the film -- it's one of the very great musicals with a superb score. The subject matter is handled delicately with remarkable taste and wit, but I think we all know what it is about. I love the fact that Gigi even in the early scenes knows full well what Aunt Alicia is training her for. There is a scene in which she tries to get her grandmother to admit she is being trained to be a courtesan but Maimita seems oblivious to Gigi's awareness of the situation. | |
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| re: You read that from me | |
| Posted by: | Circlevet 07:13 pm EST 01/19/15 |
| In reply to: | re: You read that from me - enoch10 04:56 pm EST 01/19/15 |
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| Whatever the service Gigi is being trained to do was not central to my post that's a semantics argument. Colette wrote a wonderful story about a young girl who when faced with the prospect of a life as a courtesan (a hooker who can choose a good cigar) makes a different choice and changes her own fate which in my mind is an incredibly empowering statement especially when you consider the time in which she lived (why we need to fix this story I don't understand). Betsy on the other hand in Ben Brantley's new favorite show accepts the conditions of the ridiculous plot of Honeymoon in Vegas and with her Vassar education heads off to Hawaii with a gangster for the weekend cause her idiot fiancé lost her in a card game. You've come a long way baby! And Madame Armfeldt was a tramp who traded oral sex for figs, ask anyone. | |
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| Posted by: | enoch10 03:39 pm EST 01/20/15 |
| In reply to: | re: You read that from me - Circlevet 07:13 pm EST 01/19/15 |
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| not understanding the difference between a courtesan and a prostitute is more than a semantic argument. it is a case of not knowing what you're talking about. | |
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| Posted by: | Circlevet 07:59 pm EST 01/20/15 |
| In reply to: | re: You read that from me - enoch10 03:39 pm EST 01/20/15 |
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| Websters dictionary: Courtesan "noun" a prostitute, especially one with wealthy or upper-class clients. I guess I know what I'm talking about after all. | |
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| Posted by: | AlanScott 11:40 pm EST 01/19/15 |
| In reply to: | re: You read that from me - Circlevet 07:13 pm EST 01/19/15 |
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| I didn't much like Honeymoon in Vegas, but that was not my understanding of exactly what happened. Jack lost a lot of money in a poker game. He was told that the debt (for the nonpayment of which he might otherwise be seriously hurt) would be forgiven if Betsy would agree to spend the weekend with Tommy. Betsy does not have to say yes. Yes, she would probably feel awful if she didn't and Tommy followed through on his threat to Jack, but she does not have to. Jack did not put her up as a bet in a card game. If I hadn't seen the show, I would think that from your description. | |
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| Posted by: | LegitOnce 06:42 pm EST 01/19/15 |
| In reply to: | re: You read that from me - enoch10 04:56 pm EST 01/19/15 |
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| Ask Lord Beaverbrook. | |
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| re: You read that from me | |
| Posted by: | Ann 02:34 pm EST 01/19/15 |
| In reply to: | re: You read that from me - Circlevet 12:51 pm EST 01/19/15 |
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| The difference is, his fiancee is an adult. People react a certain way when children are involved (and that has only increased in the years since the Gigi film, in my opinion). | |
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