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Some things I should to my response

Posted by: AlanScott 10:18 pm EST 01/19/15
In reply to: re: The other Into the Woods (VERY, VERY long) - AlanScott 08:11 pm EST 01/19/15

Even if you love the production, lowwriter, do you not see why it might be described as being like "a very good, inventive college production"?

At a major professional company in New York, don't you expect to hear decidedly stronger singing than you get from some people here, at least in roles that were written to be performed by people who can really sing? Don't you expect instrumental playing that is consistently at a professional level? In fact, at a top professional level?

Do you feel that the singing and playing is at that level throughout the production? Believe me, some people are already being much tougher on those aspects of the production than I was.

Also, I praised a lot about the production. I saved most of my reservations till after I'd praised it. I recommended the production. And it's not like I said that it was like a bad or mediocre college production. It does have the feel of a college production. Maybe in a really good way, but it does. At least it does to me.


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re: Some things I should to my response

Posted by: enoch10 12:06 am EST 01/22/15
In reply to: Some things I should to my response - AlanScott 10:18 pm EST 01/19/15

>> don't you expect to hear decidedly stronger singing than you get from some people here, at least in roles that were written to be performed by people who can really sing

normally, yes. i think i gave this a pass because it seemed to be about so much more than that. also, even the singing that didn't knock me out moved me. that's what this production really has going for it. i was deeply and profoundly moved.

i don't disagree with any of your reservations. i wouldn't challenge you on a single one. they just didn't bother me. nor did the dreaded doyle-esque playing of the instruments. i swear if i had known about that ahead of time, as much as i admire fiasco, i might have passed. i'm so glad i didn't. it brought home to me that it really isn't the technique i object to. it's doyle's insistence on underlining that's what he's having them do. it comes off as clumsy. not with these guys.

i was as close to being into-the-woodsed out as i have ever been when i walked in there. on top of that for it to have to rise above everything it had to to move the way it did is some kind of miracle.

the worst part of it? it is impossible for me to watch INTO THE WOODS without crying at the end. it just isn't going to happen. i was sitting really close and one of the actors was watching me. i fought it but once the chin started quivering she started playing right to me and ... down the tears came. at least i kept it quiet.

so, i am really curious. if anyone was there thuesday night. did you notice anything, umm, interesting going on when the baker's wife and the prince came up from behind the couch?


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re: Some things I should to my response

Posted by: lowwriter 08:35 am EST 01/20/15
In reply to: Some things I should to my response - AlanScott 10:18 pm EST 01/19/15

I suppose the singing could be stronger. But I think this production often works emotionally where past productions haven't. And the "Story Theater" approach certainly seems appropriate for a fairy tale musical. Also the show doesn't drag like it has for me in the past.

I don't feel the Fiasco is like a college troupe, having seen their wonderful work in Cymbeline and Measure for Measure. They are a resourceful and imaginative team, something to be treasured.


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re: Some things I should to my response

Posted by: AlanScott 06:28 pm EST 01/20/15
In reply to: re: Some things I should to my response - lowwriter 08:35 am EST 01/20/15

Personally, I felt that not only could the singing have been stronger, but also some of the instrumental playing and some of the acting.

I was very moved at certain points (for example, "Cinderella at the Grave" of all things, the great transformation sequence after the deaths of Rapunzel and Jack's Mother, and a couple of other places) and for a long while I thought that I was really going to love it. In the end, I liked a lot of it and was a bit disappointed in some of it.

I guess that some people are finding the last 15 minutes or so very moving. I found it less moving than in several productions I've seen i the past. For example, I have sometimes found the scene between Jack and the Baker in the middle of "No One Is Alone" really wrenching in past productions. It didn't come close for me here. Maybe they were having a slightly off night.

Still, I certainly felt that the strengths outweighed the weaknesses. I would recommend the production.

To clarify: I didn't mean college production to sound as negative as you seem to be taking it. It has the feel of something intentionally done with limited resources (although clearly most colleges do not have as much to spend on the set as was spent there). Having said that, I did feel that some of it was not up to the standards that I expect at a major New York professional company, and that also made it feel like a college production. It's a small company, and that means that compromises are going to be made in the casting, as would be the case in a college where you have a limited pool of people. But, as in a college production, you kind of forgive the weaknesses. I did find some of the weaknesses easy to forgive. Others not so easy.


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