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One can agree with him about only one thing...

Posted by: Delvino 12:20 pm EDT 05/06/15
In reply to: John Simon on FUN HOME and the "Demented Tonys" - bwayjoey 12:10 pm EDT 05/06/15

The ubiquitous substitution and misuse of "lay" for "lie" in our culture, pervasive and shameful.

Otherwise, even about the effeminate Cerveris wig (huh?), he just didn't get it.


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re: One can agree with him about only one thing...

Posted by: allineedisthegirl 02:21 pm EDT 05/06/15
In reply to: One can agree with him about only one thing... - Delvino 12:20 pm EDT 05/06/15

Of all the shameful things our culture is going to have to answer for, the ubiquitous substitution of lay for lie is WAY down on the list.

db


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Mea culpa.

Posted by: Delvino 03:00 pm EDT 05/06/15
In reply to: re: One can agree with him about only one thing... - allineedisthegirl 02:21 pm EDT 05/06/15

Good grief, it was a glib remark, the larger point intended: the only thing in Simon's review that had credibility. Trust me, with someone arguing in favor of the verb substitution as common usage, and a wrist slap for my perceived priorities, I would delete it if I could.


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re: Mea culpa.

Posted by: kdogg36 04:37 pm EDT 05/06/15
In reply to: Mea culpa. - Delvino 03:00 pm EDT 05/06/15

I apologize for the overreaction. You can trust that I was truly upset only with John Simon, not with you. :)


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And I reacted beyond the stakes in the event.

Posted by: Delvino 08:35 pm EDT 05/06/15
In reply to: re: Mea culpa. - kdogg36 04:37 pm EDT 05/06/15

Thank you. My bristling is all too obvious. We do get passionate here.


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re: One can agree with him about only one thing...

Posted by: kdogg36 01:03 pm EDT 05/06/15
In reply to: One can agree with him about only one thing... - Delvino 12:20 pm EDT 05/06/15

I don't think he's even right about that. The language is changing, which is confirmed by the very fact that the substitution is so ubiquitous. There's nothing shameful about it.

Going back to John Simon... as a student of linguistics, I find it really galling that someone would accuse others of being "subliterate" or "illiterate" (which is it, anyway?) for having a slightly different grammar from his own.


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re: One can agree with him about only one thing...

Posted by: PeterJCasey 06:37 pm EDT 05/06/15
In reply to: re: One can agree with him about only one thing... - kdogg36 01:03 pm EDT 05/06/15

I assumed those moments were deliberately written, since the character was awkward, gormless Middle Alison.

If her father had committed the same errors, that would have seemed like bad writing.


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