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| Posted by: | garyd 10:45 pm EDT 05/07/15 |
| In reply to: | re: It Shoulda Been - AlanScott 10:29 pm EDT 05/07/15 |
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| you just said it better and more economically than I. | |
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| re: Me too... | |
| Posted by: | AlanScott 11:03 pm EDT 05/07/15 |
| In reply to: | Me too... - garyd 10:45 pm EDT 05/07/15 |
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| Well, it was Ann who said it. ;) | |
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| geez, substandard community theater junk | |
| Posted by: | Draeigon 01:23 am EDT 05/08/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Me too... - AlanScott 11:03 pm EDT 05/07/15 |
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| if this thing had the temerity to open in an Era when critics had a MORE pronounced influence, it would have closed opening weekend. What would you people be saying today of something like THE UTTER GLORY OF MORRISSEY HALL.... charming, taken on its own terms....silly but sweet fun?? My God what is happening here. Bring back Murder at the Howard Johnson's? This is claptrap of an utterly minor degree Enjoy it at your community theater. This is not Broadway quality by a million or so miles. I wish a revival of Marlowe for a of you supporters. Kidding... Would never wish that on anyone. | |
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| [Sometimes] it's the mud that makes the roses grow! n/m | |
| Posted by: | Alcindoro 12:08 pm EDT 05/08/15 |
| In reply to: | geez, substandard community theater junk - Draeigon 01:23 am EDT 05/08/15 |
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| n/m | |
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| Thank you | |
| Posted by: | ryhog 12:48 pm EDT 05/08/15 |
| In reply to: | [Sometimes] it's the mud that makes the roses grow! n/m - Alcindoro 12:08 pm EDT 05/08/15 |
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| Bad theatre begets good theatre. Anyone involved in making or consuming (in a serious way) theatre needs to understand that. Now it is of course true that some folks here liked the show (for what it is or otherwise) and some (including me) didn't. But another thing that people need to understand is that the measure of whether or not a show belongs on (commercial) Broadway is whether it can make money. Broadway has never been a place exclusively for the high quality show. This show hasn't proven that it can make money (yet), and I didn't think it could, and it may not, but it is not at a point to be written off on that basis. But just as a show like Hamilton marks a high tide that hopefully raises all boats, so too a show like Shoulda, if it fails, teaches us an important lesson about what can float and what can't. In any event, as stated below, while an expression of one's distaste for a show is reasonable, attempting to translate that into a pretext for condescension not so much. | |
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| Posted by: | AlanScott 12:01 pm EDT 05/08/15 |
| In reply to: | geez, substandard community theater junk - Draeigon 01:23 am EDT 05/08/15 |
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| Might it be possible for you to simply post that you didn't like it and the reasons why without belittling people who did like it? What exactly is Broadway quality? Portofino? Or to use one of your own examples, The Utter Glory of Morrissey Hall? If producers choose to keep a show running for a bit, in hopes that it will catch on, what's wrong with that? In addition, the reviews for the show were far from universally negative. They were fairly equally divided among favorable, mixed and negative. I wouldn't say that overall they were great, or even favorable, but there was a fair number of favorable ones and some mixed ones. It's not as if it got the kinds of reviews that Buttrio Square received. And even during the period when critics had a more pronounced influence, there were shows that kept going in the face of negative reviews, sometimes catching on, sometimes not. | |
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| Posted by: | JayBee 06:31 am EDT 05/08/15 |
| In reply to: | geez, substandard community theater junk - Draeigon 01:23 am EDT 05/08/15 |
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| Nailed it on the head, Draeigon | |
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| Posted by: | garyd 01:33 am EDT 05/08/15 |
| In reply to: | geez, substandard community theater junk - Draeigon 01:23 am EDT 05/08/15 |
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| It is as good as a whole lot of stuff on Broadway. Better than a whole lot of stuff I have been required to sit through. I do not wish it on anyone either. There are no rules on what gets to be produced on Broadway in terms of quality. | |
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| Is it like The Brady Bunch to some people?? | |
| Posted by: | Jax 01:45 pm EDT 05/08/15 |
| In reply to: | re: geez, substandard community theater junk - garyd 01:33 am EDT 05/08/15 |
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| As noted, the appeal of this low grade sticom eludes me. So it's interesting to see folks grow defensive and protective about something that...well, I think the poster who cited MURDER AT THE HOWARD JOHNSON'S really nailed it. Does ISBY have the appeal of old "Brady Bunch" reruns, i.e. it's awful, you know it's awful, but in it's inept, cornball way it please the "inner child" of some theatregoers? I mean sometimes you just want cheese. And ISBY is certainly the cheesiest show in years. | |
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| re: Is it like The Brady Bunch to some people?? | |
| Posted by: | AlanScott 06:05 pm EDT 05/08/15 |
| In reply to: | Is it like The Brady Bunch to some people?? - Jax 01:45 pm EDT 05/08/15 |
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| It can be difficult to discuss a show you don't like without implying criticism of the taste of those who do like it. Or going beyond implying. I think a line gets crossed when someone writes the kind of stuff written by Draeigon in this thread. If you want to criticize the taste of those who like a particular show, you might as well go ahead and do it directly and just state outright that anyone who likes this junk has bad taste. Of course, one trouble with doing that is that you probably like some of the same stuff that person likes. We used to sometimes get comments on this site like "Well, if you like this show, I bet you can't wait for the next revival of Grease." Haven't seen anything quite like that in a long time, but what Draeigon wrote comes pretty close. It did make me feel defensive. How could it not? FWIW, I've never shared in the love that many have for The Brady Bunch and I've neither seen nor read Murder at the Howard Johnson's. But I think now I want to. I think perhaps I might end up waiting to produce it in rep with some Sarah Kane and some Strindberg. | |
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| What difference does it make? | |
| Posted by: | Ann 03:19 pm EDT 05/08/15 |
| In reply to: | Is it like The Brady Bunch to some people?? - Jax 01:45 pm EDT 05/08/15 |
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| Why can't people accept and respect that people see different things in shows? Instead of labeling shows bad and those who have a different take needing some justification. I'll bet you like a show I think is crap. So what? | |
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| Posted by: | ryhog 03:57 pm EDT 05/08/15 |
| In reply to: | What difference does it make? - Ann 03:19 pm EDT 05/08/15 |
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| I don't think I have ever known a person who did not love some play, film, TV show etc that was generally regarded as crap. And I have a long list of them that I consider crap but dearly love. | |
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| re: Is it like The Brady Bunch to some people?? | |
| Posted by: | EvFoDr 02:41 pm EDT 05/08/15 |
| In reply to: | Is it like The Brady Bunch to some people?? - Jax 01:45 pm EDT 05/08/15 |
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| I think there is something to this, although I don't think it's "awful". I also don't think Brady Bunch reruns are awful :-) To add a new analogy, I was thinking about restaurants. Not every meal is dinner at Per Se. And not every meal is TRYING to be that. Some nights don't you want a more casual dinner? I thought ISBY was fun and sweet. I don't require that I everything I see be aiming for the pulitzer. | |
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| re: Me too... | |
| Posted by: | garyd 11:17 pm EDT 05/07/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Me too... - AlanScott 11:03 pm EDT 05/07/15 |
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| Hmm, you're right. Well, I need more soup… less verbosity. | |
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