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| Posted by: | JayBee 03:23 pm EDT 10/28/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Not sure- song list inside; maybe that will help? - Michael_Portantiere 03:13 pm EDT 10/28/15 |
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| Political correctness - the new censoeshop | |
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| re: Not sure- song list inside; maybe that will help? | |
| Posted by: | chrismpls 03:34 pm EDT 10/28/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Not sure- song list inside; maybe that will help? - JayBee 03:23 pm EDT 10/28/15 |
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| There is a big difference -- as big, it sounds like, as Hilty's vibrato -- between "political correctness" and acknowledging that some once-widely-held beliefs are now unforgivably wrong. | |
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| re: Not sure- song list inside; maybe that will help? | |
| Posted by: | Michael_Portantiere 03:57 pm EDT 10/28/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Not sure- song list inside; maybe that will help? - chrismpls 03:34 pm EDT 10/28/15 |
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| "There is a big difference...between 'political correctness' and acknowledging that some once-widely-held beliefs are now unforgivably wrong." Yes, exactly. Thank you. If beliefs that were once widely held are now considered so wrong and so offensive that they take an audience out of a show when they rear their ugly heads, I think that's a problem. The irony of this discussion is that we're all focusing on the way the "Indians" are portrayed in ANNIE GET YOUR GUN, but no one here has brought up the ending of the show (at least in the original version), where Annie basically wins Frank's love through placating his ego by throwing their final sharp-shooting contest -- because, you know, she's a woman and he's a man, and that's the way it's supposed to be!!! Can anyone tell us if the ending was tweaked for the current presentation? I know it was rewritten for the Broadway revival. | |
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| re: Not sure- song list inside; maybe that will help? | |
| Posted by: | w52nd 04:13 pm EDT 10/28/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Not sure- song list inside; maybe that will help? - Michael_Portantiere 03:57 pm EDT 10/28/15 |
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| I've only ever seen the movie, so I don't know how other versions ended. Last night Charlie, Buffalo Bill, and Chief Sitting Bull tweak the sight on Annie's gun before the final match. She misses three shots. Frank lets him borrow his gun and she makes the next two. Then Sitting Bull pulls Annie aside and says "if you win the match you lose the man". So she decides to lose the match and keep Frank. Also I disagree with the assessment that Hilty couldn't the high notes. I thought her performance was excellent. Her vibrato was on the aggressive side, so perhaps not to everyone's taste, and it could have used a little bit more variety, but she hit the notes and was hilarious paired with the always-awesome Andy Karl. | |
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| re: Not sure- song list inside; maybe that will help? | |
| Posted by: | Michael_Portantiere 04:22 pm EDT 10/28/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Not sure- song list inside; maybe that will help? - w52nd 04:13 pm EDT 10/28/15 |
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| "Last night Charlie, Buffalo Bill, and Chief Sitting Bull tweak the sight on Annie's gun before the final match. She misses three shots. Frank lets him borrow his gun and she makes the next two. Then Sitting Bull pulls Annie aside and says "if you win the match you lose the man". So she decides to lose the match and keep Frank. Thanks for the details. Yes, that does sound like the original version, although I think what happens is that someone actually puts something in the muzzle (is that the right word?) of Annie's gun so that she will continually miss the moving target. What happens after that is what you described. I think Sitting Bull's line to Annie is something like, "You say you can't get man with gun, but you get man with THIS gun!" | |
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| re: Not sure- song list inside; maybe that will help? | |
| Posted by: | w52nd 04:31 pm EDT 10/28/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Not sure- song list inside; maybe that will help? - Michael_Portantiere 04:22 pm EDT 10/28/15 |
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| --"You say you can't get man with gun, but you get man with THIS gun!" Yes, I believe that was the exact line last night as well. | |
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| Posted by: | Chromolume 05:00 pm EDT 10/28/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Not sure- song list inside; maybe that will help? - w52nd 04:31 pm EDT 10/28/15 |
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| That line is definitely in the 1966 version - not sure if it's in all of them or not. | |
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| re: Not sure- song list inside; maybe that will help? | |
| Posted by: | Michael_Portantiere 06:25 pm EDT 10/28/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Not sure- song list inside; maybe that will help? - Chromolume 05:00 pm EDT 10/28/15 |
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| The line is also in the movie, and although I'm not 100 percent sure, I've always assumed it's in the original script. | |
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| Posted by: | allineedisthegirl 09:51 am EDT 10/29/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Not sure- song list inside; maybe that will help? - Michael_Portantiere 06:25 pm EDT 10/28/15 |
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| Yes I checked the 40s script. The line is there, but not Frank insisting that Annie try with his rifle. db | |
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| re: Not sure- song list inside; maybe that will help? | |
| Posted by: | Michael_Portantiere 06:15 pm EDT 10/29/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Not sure- song list inside; maybe that will help? - allineedisthegirl 09:51 am EDT 10/29/15 |
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| Interesting that the bit about Frank insisting that Annie try with his rifle isn't in the original. I think it's a really good idea to have him offer her that kindness at that moment. | |
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| Posted by: | allineedisthegirl 10:03 am EDT 10/30/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Not sure- song list inside; maybe that will help? - Michael_Portantiere 06:15 pm EDT 10/29/15 |
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| I agree. It comes late in the game but goes a long way toward humanizing an otherwise two-dimensional character. db | |
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| re: Not sure- song list inside; maybe that will help? | |
| Posted by: | allineedisthegirl 04:09 pm EDT 10/28/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Not sure- song list inside; maybe that will help? - Michael_Portantiere 03:57 pm EDT 10/28/15 |
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| I'll have to check the scripts (I have the 40s and 60s versions at home). In this version Dolly Tate gets caught tampering with Annie's rifle sight. Although she is foiled, Pawnee Bill, apparently inspired by Dolly, finishes the job. During the final match, Frank realizes that there's something wrong with Annie's gun (because she's missing!) and insists that she use his. I think the intention of the author (or book doctor) here is about the delicacy of the male ego, not "that's the way it's supposed to be." Not sure which version this is. db | |
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| re: Not sure- song list inside; maybe that will help? | |
| Posted by: | Michael_Portantiere 04:12 pm EDT 10/28/15 |
| In reply to: | re: Not sure- song list inside; maybe that will help? - allineedisthegirl 04:09 pm EDT 10/28/15 |
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| Yes, that's a rewrite. In the original, Sitting Bull convinces Annie that she needs to throw the match to placate Frank's ego -- and she does so. | |
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