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re: Do Movie Musicals Give Musicals a Bad Name?

Posted by: richmurphy 09:39 pm EST 11/02/15
In reply to: Do Movie Musicals Give Musicals a Bad Name? - DCollingwood 09:20 pm EST 11/02/15

This might make the oddest double feature of all time, but two movies not on your list come to mind:

MY FAIR LADY - The new Blu-ray that just came out last week, with its restored image and especially its awesome soundtrack, is a revelation. Watching the film for the umpteenth time, I had more appreciation for some of director George Cukor's choices. In hindsight, keeping the musical "indoors" (even for the abstract Ascot race scene) was brilliant. The show didn't need "opening up", as movie musicals often try to do. Audrey Hepburn didn't do her own singing, true, but she acted the hell out of the part. Who WOULDN'T think that she was a princess at the ball? (Rex Harrison, of course, was peerless as Higgins).

SOUTH PARK: BIGGER LONGER AND UNCUT - Without its songs, you have a hilarious if profane comedy. With them, you have an early example of the meta-musical, with references from OKLAHOMA! to LES MIZ. And the songs are catchy, witty, and fit into the plot.


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re: Do Movie Musicals Give Musicals a Bad Name?

Posted by: StanS 02:14 pm EST 11/03/15
In reply to: re: Do Movie Musicals Give Musicals a Bad Name? - richmurphy 09:39 pm EST 11/02/15

I'm afraid I can't go along with you on MY FAIR LADY. While there are many things in it that are well done (the end of Just You Wait is imaginatively staged) the problem of Eliza's vocals is fatal.

First, the dubbing is atrocious. As soon as Hepburn transitions from dialog to singing there is a change of gears which disrupts the moment. This is not true of the well done dubbing in West Side Story and King and I.

Second, Nixon's actual singing just isn't good enough, certainly in comparison with Andrews on the OBC. And yes, the comparison is unavoidable. Again, this is not true of Nixon's fine singing in WSS and K&I.

So for me the movie is pretty much unwatchable since every time Eliza starts to sing, I start to groan.


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re: Do Movie Musicals Give Musicals a Bad Name?

Posted by: Holland 07:45 pm EST 11/03/15
In reply to: re: Do Movie Musicals Give Musicals a Bad Name? - StanS 02:14 pm EST 11/03/15

Thank you. I've been meaning to post this exact sentiment for some time and you've just done so perfectly. Everyone complains that Audrey didn't do her own singing, but no one complains that Kerr or Wood didn't do their own singing. Audrey is a perfect Eliza. Marni, a great artist in her own right, just wasn't able to deliver the goods this one time and the film suffers greatly for it.


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re: Do Movie Musicals Give Musicals a Bad Name?

Posted by: Greg_M 02:25 pm EST 11/03/15
In reply to: re: Do Movie Musicals Give Musicals a Bad Name? - StanS 02:14 pm EST 11/03/15

I love the film of "My Fair Lady" and I love Hepburn, but like you, every time Marni Nixon voice comes on I feel there is a hole in the story - the dubbing isn't a good match.

Listening to Audrey's vocals/with piano give a more satisfying reading of the show. True Audrey isn't a soprano and can't get above a high C, but her readings are funnier and charming.

I would love for the film to be issued with moist of Audrey's voice and a little dubbing by someone who sounds like her


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re: Do Movie Musicals Give Musicals a Bad Name?

Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 03:16 pm EST 11/03/15
In reply to: re: Do Movie Musicals Give Musicals a Bad Name? - Greg_M 02:25 pm EST 11/03/15

"I would love for the film to be issued with most of Audrey's voice and a little dubbing by someone who sounds like her."

I can't agree with you on that. Audrey's surviving vocals are very difficult to listen to from a purely musical standpoint, however good they may be in terms of acting. I think she might have been able to handle a lot of the score if they had brought the keys way down, but I guess they didn't want to do that. She does sound quite lovely in those two lines she sings at the beginning of "I Could Have Danced All Night."

Something else that takes me out of the movie is that the match between Jeremy Brett's speaking voice and the voice of the performer who dubbed his singing is extremely poor, in my opinion. And in the cases of both Hepburn and Brett, as well as Stanley Holloway, some of the lip-synching in the film is very sloppy.

I've been re-watching a lot of MY FAIR LADY in the Blu-Ray release, and my feelings about it remain the same: A great deal of it is very beautifully done, but every few minutes, some major flaw crops up, and as these flaws continue, they keep taking me out of the movie. I do wish those in charge had been more meticulous, but honestly, I don't think Cukor was that kind of a director when it came to matters other than acting.


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re: Do Movie Musicals Give Musicals a Bad Name?

Posted by: Greg_M 06:41 pm EST 11/03/15
In reply to: re: Do Movie Musicals Give Musicals a Bad Name? - Michael_Portantiere 03:16 pm EST 11/03/15

I would believe using many of the tricks of auto tune type programs and finding a better voice match would combine to make a decent musical performance that would sound like Audrey - of course it would never sound like it was written, but at least it would keep me in the film when ever Eliza sings. I know we were able to do many tricks with weak voices in the mixing stage.

I'm guessing Michael, you have heard the piano tracks of Audrey floating around - even that version of "Loverly" sounds better than the one on the DVD


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re: MFL, OLIVER, MUSIC MAN

Posted by: chessmate 09:32 am EST 11/03/15
In reply to: re: Do Movie Musicals Give Musicals a Bad Name? - richmurphy 09:39 pm EST 11/02/15

Are three classics that remain very faithful to the stage versions. I don't think a line is changed or a scene added to MY FAIR LADY--OK, maybe Higgians doesn't take a drink before the ball on stage, and a few brief scenes are done differently, but otherwise it's the same story/songs.

One can quibble over the casting--Hepburn over Andrews, Jones over Cook--but the performers and the productions are first rate overall.


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"Have some port."

Posted by: showtunetrivia 06:00 pm EST 11/03/15
In reply to: re: MFL, OLIVER, MUSIC MAN - chessmate 09:32 am EST 11/03/15

The entire sequence with Higgins and Pickering urging each other to have some port to quieten the nerves is in the stage libretto. Lerner's detailed stage directions describe Higgins' sneaking a snort behind everyone's back after coolly refusing one earlier.

Laura, who is rather fond of port herself


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re: "Have some port."

Posted by: Ann 06:25 pm EST 11/03/15
In reply to: "Have some port." - showtunetrivia 06:00 pm EST 11/03/15

I cannot give a reasonable explanation for why, but I first read your subject line as "Have some pot."


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re: "Have some port."

Posted by: showtunetrivia 06:56 pm EST 11/03/15
In reply to: re: "Have some port." - Ann 06:25 pm EST 11/03/15

I have many vices, but that's not one of them.

When I start reading subject lines like that, I blame the bifocals.

Laura, imagining Higgins and Pickering lighting up...


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re: "Have some port."

Posted by: Chromolume 07:22 pm EST 11/03/15
In reply to: re: "Have some port." - showtunetrivia 06:56 pm EST 11/03/15

It might have helped Higgins calm down a little, lol.


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re: Do Movie Musicals Give Musicals a Bad Name?

Posted by: DCollingwood 01:09 am EST 11/03/15
In reply to: re: Do Movie Musicals Give Musicals a Bad Name? - richmurphy 09:39 pm EST 11/02/15

I definitely need to revisit My Fair Lady. I actually just listened to the OBC recording a week or so ago so sooner rather than later seems like a good time to watch the film again and get reacquainted.


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re: Do Movie Musicals Give Musicals a Bad Name?

Posted by: lordofspeech 12:45 am EST 11/03/15
In reply to: re: Do Movie Musicals Give Musicals a Bad Name? - richmurphy 09:39 pm EST 11/02/15

Just re-read the second Josh Logan bio. It seems shooting MY FAIR LADY on the back-lot was an imperative for Jack Warner when he chose a director. (Logan wanted to shoot on location in England and was nixed. So, when he pitched himself for CAMELOT, he agreed to shoot it on the back lot. There was a financial kerfluffle, combined with Vanessa's not being available till the fiscal year was up, which made Jack Warner concede shooting locations in Spain with Franco Nero before the fiscal year was up, but the initial choices for directors of both these Lerner-Loewe works hinged on shooting them on the back-lot.)


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re: Do Movie Musicals Give Musicals a Bad Name?

Posted by: KingSpeed 12:37 am EST 11/03/15
In reply to: re: Do Movie Musicals Give Musicals a Bad Name? - richmurphy 09:39 pm EST 11/02/15

South Park movie is a top 20 movie all time


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