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I question that 25-35 percent figure

Posted by: AlanScott 10:31 am EST 11/03/15
In reply to: Riedel/RazzleDazzle/Fact Check - NewtonUK 09:20 am EST 11/01/15

My general perception is that most seasons, only 10-20 percent of shows recouped.

For a quick example, since I have a certain number of Best Plays volumes from the 1960s and 1970s, I looked at the volumes for 1964-1965 and for the following season, since the latter would list shows that opened the previous season that went on to recoup during the 1965-1966 season.

i did my best to eliminate shows that probably counted as nonprofit, which took the 81 shows listed as having been produced on Broadway during the 1964-65 season down to 54. (Yeah, that's probably a surprise, isn't it?)

Best Plays lists seven shows as having recouped by the end of the season. The following year's volume lists one more as having recouped later. Not listed that year is Half a Sixpence, which supposedly recouped thanks to revenue from the two post-Broadway tours. Perhaps Best Plays only counted shows that recouped during the Broadway run.

That makes eight out of 54. That is just under 15 percent.

One of those, Poor Richard, recouped only thanks to a film sale. Another, The Roar of the Greasepaint, would not have recouped had Merrick not done his long pre-Broadway tour thing that he did with several of the British musicals he produced during the 1960s (although Roar, unlike Oliver!, did not recoup before it even opened on Broadway).

There may have been a better record some other seasons, but still it seems to me that this 25-35 percent figure is rosy thinking about the Broadway of the past. My guess is that during most 1950s and 1960s Broadway seasons, less than 20 percent of the productions recouped. A season in which 20 percent of the shows recouped would have been considered fantastic financially.


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Two more 1960s seasons

Posted by: AlanScott 03:34 pm EST 11/03/15
In reply to: I question that 25-35 percent figure - AlanScott 10:31 am EST 11/03/15

First, 1962-63, the season that provoked the conversation. Again, I'm using Best Plays for my info. Before Guernsey took over in 1964-65, the Best Plays format for listing a season's Broadway productions and which were hits and which were flops (as determined by Variety) was a bit different but easier to utilize for the purposes of this conversation. (At least this is true during the brief time that Henry Hewes was the editor.) This is what I find:

As of the end of the season, there were eight hits, one of which was a one-man show: Ages of Man. Two of the hits involved John Gielgud: Ages of Man and The School for Scandal. Yet a third of the eight was a British import limited engagement: The Hollow Crown.

Twelve were listed as Status Not Yet Determined. Of those, my guess is that only one, Enter Laughing, paid off. I don't have the following year's volume to be sure that none of the others paid off, but if any did, it probably would have been because of a film sale for a film that was never made.

Thirty-three were listed as failures. In addition, six closed out of town and surely were financial failures. That was something I did not think to look for in 1964-65. If I had, it would have added four shows to the total number of commercial productions and thereby reduced the percentage that recouped.

Twelve are listed under Miscellaneous. This is a bit confusing as five of them seem to have been for-profit ventures, but I will leave them out of the calculation.

Including the shows that closed out of town, but excluding those under Miscellaneous, gives us (if my math is correct) nine hits out of 59 shows — 15.25 percent. Of course, if I'm wrong and one of the other shows whose status was undetermined at the end of the season did manage to recoup, that would up the percentage slightly.

I'm losing a bit of patience to make sure I'm getting this right (and sometimes it's tough to be sure about what was nonprofit back then), but a quick look at 1968-69 leads me to this estimate that I don't swear is correct: nine hits out of 51 commercial productions, including four that closed before opening on Broadway (either out of town or during Broadway previews). Again, under 20 percent.

It seems to me that this is probably what we would find for most 1960s seasons: 15-20 percent recouped.


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