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| Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 02:20 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 02:18 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| A Diana McLaughlin tweeted to Ben Platt: ''You are an asshole! My daughters waited for you twice after seeing your show but refused to come out and greet fans. Garbage!'' In response to those who have been upset that he's often a no-show at the stage door, Platt tweeted: ''Performing 'Dear Evan Hansen' every night is wonderful but also hugely tough – as much as I would like to be out there every night, very often I cannot come to the stage door after the performance. My priority must always be self-care so I can recreate the same quality show each night. That’s my job, and what each and every audience member is paying for and deserves. Before you tweet hateful things about how I don’t value out incredible fans when I can’t come to the door, please pause to consider that my responsibility to them is first and foremost to give my all each night. I preserve myself because I value each of them deeply.'' |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: showusyourtalent 11:44 pm EDT 07/04/17 | |
| In reply to: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - WaymanWong 02:18 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| Does "come out and greet fans" mean selfies and/or autographs? Sorry, if you cannot acknowledge your fans go into another profession, or be prepared to take flak. It goes with the territory. Chita did autographs after "The Visit," so I don't want to hear it (or read it). | |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: Circlevet 10:34 pm EDT 07/04/17 | |
| In reply to: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - WaymanWong 02:18 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| Stage door expectations baffle me. You have just watched a performer work his ass off and you expect him to come out and greet you as if you were the only spectator? These performers owe you nothing. They gave you what you paid for. The idea that they should come out and greet you is ridiculous. You that feed on autographs and contact with performers know nothing of how difficult a profession acting is and what that performer has gone through to give you their performance. | |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: BroadwayMike 07:43 am EDT 07/04/17 | |
| In reply to: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - WaymanWong 02:18 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| Moron Mom probably spent a fortune on those premium tickets. Ha ha. Let's hope more uncultured fools who spend heaps of cash on tickets that could be sold for reasonable prices experience similar frustrations. Perhaps if the premium buyers stay away, true NY theatregoers won't have to shell out outlandish prices to see Broadway shows. Someone tell the casts of Hamilton and Dolly to follow Platt's lead! Good job Ben! | |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: summertheater 09:06 am EDT 07/04/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - BroadwayMike 07:43 am EDT 07/04/17 | |
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| If premium buyers stay away, shows will go out of business. I bet this mom and many others would rather have the 2 hour 30 minute show be cut down to 2 hours, to make time for a photo op with their customers. If enough customers like her complain, I bet a mandatory stage door will soon be written into contracts. If this was such a hardship for this actor, he could have just posed for pictures without using his voice. | |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: Zelgo 11:10 am EDT 07/05/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - summertheater 09:06 am EDT 07/04/17 | |
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| Broadway existed just fine without premium buyers, and it will exist just fine if premium buyers go away. | |
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| re: Yes, great idea... | |
| Posted by: SuzanneR 04:49 pm EDT 07/04/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - summertheater 09:06 am EDT 07/04/17 | |
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| Let's restrict the creative process so people can get autographs and pictures. | |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 04:21 pm EDT 07/04/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - summertheater 09:06 am EDT 07/04/17 | |
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| It's not just his voice. It's the physical toll the show takes on him. How long does the stage door take? 30 minutes? Longer? He probably wants to unwind and then get to bed. | |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 05:07 pm EDT 07/04/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - KingSpeed 04:21 pm EDT 07/04/17 | |
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| To add to that: it takes a tremendous amount of energy to be charming and cheerful and look upbeat in people's photos. No one wants to have a selfie with Ben Platt where he looks tired or emotionally wrecked; they want the dream Ben Platt, who is all smiles and graciousness. That's a lot to ask from anyone who has to perform that track 8 times a week. |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 08:43 pm EDT 07/04/17 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 08:41 pm EDT 07/04/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - Singapore/Fling 05:07 pm EDT 07/04/17 | |
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| Also, it's just possible, too, that Ben Platt doesn't like or isn't comfortable doing the stage-door thing. Not everyone does. Other actors leave through other entrances all the time, and that's their prerogative. Others begrudgingly do the stage door, in promoting their show. And others revel in it, and enjoy meeting their fans. Zachary Levi (''She Loves Me''), for one, even takes stage-dooring to another level: playing music to create a festive atmosphere. He'll sign every Playbill offered and graciously take the time to chit-chat. Then, Levi will go a second time down the line if there's anyone who wants a selfie. |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: MikeR 02:19 pm EDT 07/04/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - summertheater 09:06 am EDT 07/04/17 | |
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| >I bet a mandatory stage door will soon be written into contracts. Fuck that noise. Equity would never go for it, thankfully. |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Last Edit: ryhog 07:04 pm EDT 07/04/17 | |
| Posted by: ryhog 07:03 pm EDT 07/04/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - MikeR 02:19 pm EDT 07/04/17 | |
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| I've heard talk of precisely the opposite-that AEA will ask for some means of controlling this awful ritual. From producers' standpoint, it's promotion, although many/most also have concerns about safety, health of their investments, etc. | |
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| Ridiculous as always | |
| Posted by: finally 09:37 am EDT 07/04/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - summertheater 09:06 am EDT 07/04/17 | |
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| Don't take the bait! I can't help but wonder if the acknowledgement by Platt makes this a bigger story than it really would have been. He really didn't need to defend himself and could have easily blocked the user and removed her Tweet rather than dignifying her stupidity with a response. If this woman has friends, I'm sure they roll their eyes about her and her antics. |
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| re: Ridiculous as always | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 02:43 pm EDT 07/04/17 | |
| In reply to: Ridiculous as always - finally 09:37 am EDT 07/04/17 | |
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| Diana McLaughlin might be getting the attention because she berated Ben Platt on Twitter, but she's not alone. Others have posted on message boards, etc., about their disappointment and/or anger that Platt rarely stage-doors. I imagine Platt's been feeling the heat from this, and besieged by criticisms of his absences during Tony weekend. This might've been a tipping point, so Platt finally felt it was time to address it. |
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| Are selfies partly to blame for this | |
| Posted by: dramedy 07:31 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - WaymanWong 02:18 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| That fans expect this closeness and pictures? Where autographs have a certain distance, selfies are rather intimate in my mind. A friend waited for bette and she came out with gloves on and waved but didnt touch anyone or stop for pics or autographs and said thanks for coming heading to the car. My friend was thrilled, but others were disappointed. | |
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| re: Are selfies partly to blame for this | |
| Posted by: mikem 03:29 pm EDT 07/04/17 | |
| In reply to: Are selfies partly to blame for this - dramedy 07:31 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| Selfies are part of the problem for a slightly different reason. They take a lot longer for the actor than signing. The youngsters don't want signatures; they want selfies. So the stage door thing takes a lot longer for actors nowadays than before. Plus, there are a LOT more people at the stage door than before social media. The stage door at Dear Evan Hansen reminds me of the stage door at Hamilton. Both have a young, fanatic audience who can't afford the crazy current ticket prices, so there are HUNDREDS of people at the stage door after each performance, many, maybe most, of whom have never seen the show. If Ben Platt were to send out pre-signed Playbills, he'd have to pre-sign 200 - 300 for every performance. I enjoy going to the stage door and talking to the actors, but I don't blame Platt (or anyone) for not wanting to deal with it. |
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| Selfies are only part of the bigger picture | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 09:48 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 09:46 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: Are selfies partly to blame for this - dramedy 07:31 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| I imagine there have always been some rude people at the stage door, but I'm afraid the culture of social media (ironically at the center of ''Dear Evan Hansen'') has only multiplied their numbers, especially among an Internet-savvy, younger generation. Whether through Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc., I fear too many of them feel a (false) familiarity with their favorite performers. For some, it's not enough to see the show; they want face time with the objects of their obsession, or better yet, a selfie to post on their Twitter, to validate their experience and brag to their friends. I'm guessing Diana McLaughlin is ticked off that she spent big bucks to take her daughters to ''Dear Evan Hansen,'' and because her daughters are probably upset at not seeing Platt at the stage door. Maybe they identify so much with Evan Hansen, and/or have giant crushes on Platt. Who knows? Add greedy autograph sellers to the stage-door mix, and you've got a mob that threatens to get overzealous and scary. |
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| re: Selfies are only part of the bigger picture | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 11:08 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: Selfies are only part of the bigger picture - WaymanWong 09:46 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| It goes to show: if they think so little of him as his efforts as a performer, why do they want a picture with him? And why would he want to be in a picture with them? | |
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| re: Selfies are only part of the bigger picture | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 11:54 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Selfies are only part of the bigger picture - KingSpeed 11:08 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| I'm assuming they thought less of Platt after he skipped the stage door. I imagine it really soured their opinions of him. On the other hand, McLaughlin holds Josh Groban, Brandon Urie and Platt's own co-stars in high regard, since they DID stage-door. |
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| re: Selfies are only part of the bigger picture | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 09:50 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: Selfies are only part of the bigger picture - WaymanWong 09:46 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| Her daughters are probably glad it's July and mom's internet infamy will be over before they have to go back to school. | |
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| re: Are selfies partly to blame for this | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 09:08 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: Are selfies partly to blame for this - dramedy 07:31 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| Totally. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason this mother is so angry is because of pressure from the daughters, who would have total Facebook dominance if they had a photo with Ben Platt. They would rule the school. And meanwhile, Ben Platt is doing the work of an athlete, and he's going to need time and space to come down from the show (or perhaps stay in it), otherwise he will suffer physical damage, the same as any other athlete. The mother also said that being an actor isn't as hard as other jobs, but that's almost certainly because she has no idea how much work is actually involved in pulling off that performance 8 times a week for a year. Most people never go far enough in performance to get to the part where it actually becomes hard work; and yet they seem to imagine that it stays just as fun and effortless for professionals as it did for them when they were school kids. This would be like me thinking that a professional athlete puts in as much work to their sport as I did to high school P.E. soccer, where I was always a fullback so I didn't have to run as far. I understand the mistake that she's making, even as I'm baffled that someone could feel so entitled to another human being's free labor, but then she is a Trump voter. (Of course, they say the exact same thing about us.) |
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| re: Are selfies partly to blame for this | |
| Last Edit: bmc 07:53 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| Posted by: bmc 07:45 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: Are selfies partly to blame for this - dramedy 07:31 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| I was hoping to get Mr Creel(Go Blue -_U of MIch) to sign my playbill, but Just as he exited, there was a tropical downpour; A bit later, someone from the theatre said everyone had left.A young lady look confused, so I told her "they're done signing programs".The young lady said 'Bette doesn't have to sign my program, but she could at least pose for a picture with me",Perhaps they could change the name to selfishies-- no that's too strict,but you know what I mean | |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: carolinaguy 07:12 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - WaymanWong 02:18 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| I don't like reducing myself to her level, but this bitch really does need to be slapped extra hard. So not only is Ben Platt expected to spill his guts on the stage of the Music Box eight times a week (and God forbid, never ever miss a show, even if he's been decapitated), he also has to come chatty-chat with all the fans after every performance? I wouldn't trade places with him for all the tea in China at this point. Evan will go down as one of the most challenging roles in the modern era. Seeing Ben give one of the most spectacular performances of my life is something I will carry with me forever, and I don't feel he owes any of us anything more. | |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: MikeR 06:54 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| Her tweets are really special. In addition to the initial one (quoted above), there are the following replies: @DearEvanHansen What a way to disrespect your fans. Stagedoor really rude. Ben you suck and you are not that cute. Empathy for a rich celebrity doing what he likes? Take a cue from Josh Groban and Brendon Urie. @DearEvanHansen @BenSPLATT 3 CNN reporters resigned over over fake stories, you menche. We spent a fortune to see Broadway shows. You should be grateful I'm even in NY [The CNN thing is not quite as much a non-sequitur as it appears. "Menche" is a nonsensical as it appears.] The show is about not ignoring a person. Prissy Ben Platt just ignored his fans. The other cast met fans. He can too! So you admit you think only about yourself. Look to Josh Groban, Brendon Urie and the rest of your cast. You're 23 y/o, selfish and feeble. [Direct reply to Platt's note.] #WELOVEBEN @BenSPLATT Other jobs are harder work than being a thespian. Don't be a primadonna. Cherish your fans. The Tony excuses nothing. You're right. #brendonurie toured for over 1 year immediately before starring on Broadway. He still finds the energy to spend 15 min w/ fans |
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| re: We spent a fortune to see Broadway shows. You should be grateful I'm even in NY | |
| Posted by: Thom915 11:57 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - MikeR 06:54 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| Her money now having been spent, I personally will be grateful that she leaves New York! and insofar as some of her other comments, thespians work quite as hard as people in most professions and yes, Ben really is that cute! | |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: bmc 10:32 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - MikeR 06:54 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| Dear Mary Mother of God this woman is psycho; I hope the production company provides the necessary security for Mr Platt. | |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: showtunetrivia 08:28 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - MikeR 06:54 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| Good God, what a piece of work! Laura |
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| re: Hard to pick a favorite, but... | |
| Posted by: SuzanneR 07:43 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| "You should be grateful I'm even in NY" is especially mind-boggling.... | |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 05:52 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - WaymanWong 02:18 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| Amazing. It used to be that most people were just happy to get a decent seat to the show itself, and that the performance was professional and entertaining and memorable. Then people weren't really happy unless the stars were in the show 24/7. Especially if they got tickets 6 months prior and didn't know that the star clearly planned on getting sick that particular night. Then people weren't really happy unless they were part of a standing O at the end. Because it clearly wasn't a good show if not everyone stands up. Then people weren't happy unless they could have a 5-course meal in their seats during the show. Let alone wrapped candy and drinks with ice. Then people weren't happy unless they could be texting, tweeting, and playing on their phones during the show. Now people aren't happy unless the stars stick around at the stage door, just for them. Without advance warning. In some ways, going to the theatre has really become an awful experience. ;-) |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: knud17 06:38 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - Chromolume 05:52 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| Her tweet is so opposite of what I just told my students to expect. We just (today) came back from a 5 show 4 day weekend in New York. A group of 25 theatre enthusiasts that have never been to NYC other than my wife and I. We told them of our experiences at the stage doors of theatres. How it was always a something special if anybody (recognizable or not) came out and spent time with us. In the four shows that everybody went to (even the Saturday Matinee where I expected almost nobody), they had appreciative, friendly, and interested cast members come out--but what made it special is that they didn't really expect it. After every show, I said tomorrow might not be the same....and almost every time it was even better. I don't understand why anybody would think they are owed time with these performers who have just put their heart on stage, and even more lash out at them on social media. Attend the show you paid for, enjoying the show, and meeting the cast is completely a bonus. Aaron |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: ryhog 05:58 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - Chromolume 05:52 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| "In some ways, going to the theatre has really become an awful experience. ;-)" and yet, it's still the most amazing experience there is (except things like the birth of a child or climbing Mount Everest). and yes I didn't miss your smiley face. |
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| Posted by: Chromolume 06:43 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - ryhog 05:58 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| Oh, believe me, I agree with you 100%. ;-) | |
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| It reaches the Post's Page Six. | |
| Posted by: Delvino 04:54 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| Link | ‘Dear Evan Hansen’ star defends himself against angry fans |
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| Her account is now PRIVATE | |
| Posted by: Naughty_Rob 04:31 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - WaymanWong 02:18 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| I'm sure she's getting a ton of press requests. Rob |
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| No, it isn't. (NM) | |
| Posted by: Seth Christenfeld (tabula-rasa@verizon.net) 04:54 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: Her account is now PRIVATE - Naughty_Rob 04:31 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| Seth, looking at it right now because he fucking LOVES a good trainwreck | |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: PurpleMoney 03:11 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - WaymanWong 02:18 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| I saw this and laughed. Actors have no obligation to chat with fans although, I had a lovely conversation with Angela Lansbury and Marian Seldes after Deuce that was the highlight of my year. When I was young I loved Children Of A Lesser God so much I had to speak to the cast about the show, so I meet John Rubinstein at the stage door, had a chat and got invited to come in to speak with Phyllis Frelich at a table set up in the basement of the Longacre. I've had some wonderful experiences and some not so wonderful ... Daniel Radcliffe jumping out of the bathroom window to escape fans after a performance of Equus in London. Wait for it.... than getting into a pink cab! Well, he did go full monty and I was in the third row! Ben should do what Carol Channing did in 1994; have the stage door collect the first few programs from fans and have him sign them in his dressing room. If people arrive late they're out of luck, next time. What is happening here could turn in to bad publicity and this show, so well loved by everyone does, not deserve that. He, who shall remain nameless, will probably have it in print this week. |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 03:21 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - PurpleMoney 03:11 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| For that matter, I'm sure the production could provide a stack of PLAYBILLs that Platt could sign whenever he has a few minutes that could then be handed out at the stage door when he's not up to facing the crowds. | |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 03:32 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - JereNYC 03:21 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| You aren't owed a signed playbill for showing up at the stage door. | |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 03:37 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - Ncassidine 03:32 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| I didn't say anyone was owed anything...I was simply responding to a previous poster who'd written that perhaps PLAYBILLs could be collected at the stage door and signed inside by Platt and given out in lieu of Platt himself making an appearance. | |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: JohnDunlop 02:54 pm EDT 07/04/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - JereNYC 03:37 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| Some actors are fine with talking, especially if you have something interesting to say and there is not a crowd there __ examples: Audra McDonald, Billy Crudup, Jon Groff and even Mary Martin (at benefits), | |
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| Maybe he could wave through a window | |
| Posted by: Ann 05:40 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - JereNYC 03:37 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| (Personally, I think if he's going to rest, he should really rest - and not be signing stacks of Playbills.) | |
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| Ha! | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 05:45 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: Maybe he could wave through a window - Ann 05:40 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| Thanks for the laugh! | |
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| re: What is wrong with people? | |
| Posted by: SuzanneR 02:59 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - WaymanWong 02:18 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| (Assuming the initial tweet is accurate...) "You are an asshole!" --- Seriously? This is how a grown woman expresses herself? This is the example she sets for her daughters? What a world. |
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| re: What is wrong with people? | |
| Posted by: JohnDunlop 03:28 pm EDT 07/04/17 | |
| In reply to: re: What is wrong with people? - SuzanneR 02:59 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| I remember sitting next to Daniel Radcliffe's table at a NYC restaurant a decade ago with you. We could not help but hear his conversation with friends who had flown in from London, but we never bother Daniel. Although he likely would have autographed a playbill if we asked...but we had sense enough not to ask. | |
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| re: What is wrong with people? | |
| Posted by: ptownguy 04:15 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re: What is wrong with people? - SuzanneR 02:59 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| RE:(Assuming the initial tweet is accurate...) "You are an asshole!" --- Seriously? This is how a grown woman expresses herself? This is the example she sets for her daughters? What a world. If you look at her Twitter feed -- she's a doctor. Her rants are extreme right-wing pro-Trump. Apparently, she's getting a lot web-action since her website is now locked. |
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| The new expectation: Not artistic standards but consumer demands. | |
| Last Edit: Delvino 05:22 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| Posted by: Delvino 05:21 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re: What is wrong with people? - ptownguy 04:15 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| The downside of "premium": entitlement. This is part of a new normal. You pay outrageous fees for tickets -- some now $2000 for an orchestra premium seat (I know someone in Portland, OR who did) -- and once you attend, you OWN the experience. And the experience -- and those involved -- are yours as long as you're in the vicinity of the Music box. If you want him to come outside and shake your hand, sign a Playbill, or agree to perform magic tricks and little Riley's next birthday party, he'd better do it, or they will turn, in an instant. |
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| re: The new expectation: Not artistic standards but consumer demands. | |
| Posted by: Ann 05:55 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: The new expectation: Not artistic standards but consumer demands. - Delvino 05:21 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| I'm sure that has added a dimension, but entitled-feeling stage door visitors existed long before premium prices. I saw some horrible behavior in the 1990s that turned me off of wanting to be anywhere near the stage door. | |
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| re: The new expectation: Not artistic standards but consumer demands. | |
| Posted by: Delvino 09:04 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re: The new expectation: Not artistic standards but consumer demands. - Ann 05:55 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| I also think this public shaming of the actor really is the new add-on to the syndrome. This ability to vent supposed grievances in a public forum. If actors don't respond or appear, they are called out and the outrage becomes a virtual town square vilification. It has escalated, yeah. Even 15 years ago, we didn't have venue for the public humiliation. | |
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| re: The new expectation: Not artistic standards but consumer demands. | |
| Posted by: Ann 09:07 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re: The new expectation: Not artistic standards but consumer demands. - Delvino 09:04 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| Well, there were theatre message boards 15 years ago ;) (and, honestly, we've had a few threads started by people posting similar complaints about stage door behavior, though it's been awhile.) | |
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| The rarefied niche of board is not Twitter. | |
| Last Edit: Delvino 09:12 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| Posted by: Delvino 09:11 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re: The new expectation: Not artistic standards but consumer demands. - Ann 09:07 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| Sorry, I don't think there's any comparison in being able to post negatives in a niche/bubble, and public postings with (quantifiable:) thousands of readers, cross-referencing and even ad hominem communiques. I can attack a star here, and the star and even most of his or her fans may never know. I can attack the same star on Twitter, and it's news in seconds. Witness, this story. | |
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| It was different 15 years ago | |
| Last Edit: Ann 11:34 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| Posted by: Ann 11:27 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: The rarefied niche of board is not Twitter. - Delvino 09:11 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| ... or even a little later when we were threatened by a Broadway star with legal action because of something someone posted here. But, really, I did include a smiley on purpose. It wasn't even close to the magnitude of Twitter. |
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| I forget. My sincere apology. | |
| Posted by: Delvino 07:35 am EDT 07/04/17 | |
| In reply to: It was different 15 years ago - Ann 11:27 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| I was rather humorless in the whole thread, or came off that way, and I apologize. (One of the hardest things to get right: tone.) My attempt to split a hair over the difference between boards/blogs and Twitter -- to you! -- was especially presumptuous and entirely laughable. | |
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| re: The new expectation: Not artistic standards but consumer demands. | |
| Posted by: PurpleMoney 05:26 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: The new expectation: Not artistic standards but consumer demands. - Delvino 05:21 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| Producers of DEH could offer meet and greet tickets for $2500 with a photo op and a mention on Broadway.com. | |
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| re: What is wrong with people? | |
| Posted by: winters 04:26 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re: What is wrong with people? - ptownguy 04:15 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| Of course the daughter could have dropped off an envelope with a playbill, a return envelope and a note of appreciation. Often the actor will return the playbill signed as well as a personal note. That's a lot more meaningful than a signed crushed playbill from an actor who has already given you everything that he has upon the stage. | |
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| re: What is wrong with people? | |
| Posted by: PurpleMoney 05:22 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re: What is wrong with people? - winters 04:26 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| It's time to think "old school". Although meeting the fans as a fan is very exciting too. Ben looks exhausted during the performance. If I were him, which I'm not, I'd ask for an apartment at the Music Box and not go out until the contract has ended. Just dreaming. |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: scoot1er 02:39 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - WaymanWong 02:18 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| This kind of post regarding actors who don't appear at the stage door after the show really irks me. I feel the responsibility of the actor is to give a high-quality performance every night. Once the curtain comes down the actor owes nothing to the audience. He/she has done his/her job. Whether or not the actor appears at the stage door to sign autographs or pose for selfies is an accommodation not a requirement. Sorry to rant, but this is one of my pet peeves. And, no, I am not an actor. | |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: jhs7521 02:38 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - WaymanWong 02:18 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| Ben Platt is a class act. This topic has come up numerous times over the years - the only thing an actor owes the audience is their best performance... | |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: bearcat 02:20 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - WaymanWong 02:18 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| DM does not know how to express her disappointment as a reasonable, mature person. | |
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| "Words Fail" n/m | |
| Posted by: broadwaybacker 03:22 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - bearcat 02:20 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: bmc 03:14 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - bearcat 02:20 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| I sometimes go by the stage door for an autograph and am pleased when the actors stop and sign .After a Sat Mat Of Gypsy( with Patti Lupone), someone from the production came out and said the three stars would be resting for the evening performance; That was fine with me The three roles are demanding and they gave their all at themat.performance.Tho I like having a signed playbill , I know the actors obligation ends when the curtain comes down; I mentioned this before, but after a performance of At Liberty, The doorman came out and told th7or 8 of us who were waiting, "Miss Stritch is showing the theater to her friends and said if you'd Like to come in out of the rain,and wait. she'll sign your playbills; Then She thanked Us for being patient...I was impressed that Mr Platt to the time to answer such an intemperate E- mail. Kudos to hin |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: JohnDunlop 03:27 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - bmc 03:14 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| Yes, it happened fairly often with Ms. Stritch in "At Liberty." I believe Jonathan Groff frequently talked to people at the stage door during "Spring Awakening." Liza Minnelli had someone collect posters for her to sign. As to the situation at "Dear Evan Hansen," I understand why it can be confusing to teenagers and patents. | |
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| Menzel fans were rabid around "If/Then" | |
| Last Edit: Delvino 04:44 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| Posted by: Delvino 04:43 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - JohnDunlop 03:27 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| And apparently, a posse would show up 8 times a week to get "Frozen" or even "Wicked" stuff autographed, who had not seen "if/Then." Their prerogative, but it highlights this stalking vibe that impacts the climate around stage door-ing. With the Menzels and other celebs having media profiles beyond the theater, there's that "ownership" factor, i.e. we made you a star, you owe us. Starting early for Mr. Platt, that syndrome. |
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| re: Menzel fans were rabid around "If/Then" | |
| Posted by: MikeR 06:47 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: Menzel fans were rabid around "If/Then" - Delvino 04:43 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| Michael Park, of Dear Evan Hansen, recently tweeted that he'd be taking some time off from doing the stage door. He wasn't super-specific (140 character limit, after all), but it seemed like the "fans" were getting a bit much. ".@DearEvanHansen peeps, I'll be taking a break from signing for awhile. Some people just don't get it." |
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| Rabid fans aren't new, but they seem to have gotten worse on Broadway | |
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| Posted by: WaymanWong 10:04 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Menzel fans were rabid around "If/Then" - MikeR 06:47 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| There were the bobby soxers who went wild for Frank Sinatra, the crowds that went gaga for the Beatles. ... But to me, the rabidness of especially younger fans has been on the rise on Broadway, notably when the show and/or performer becomes a pop-culture phenomena: It happened with the stage door for Idina Menzel and ''If/Then'' (due to ''Frozen''); with Lin-Manuel Miranda and ''Hamilton,'' and now, Ben Platt and ''Dear Evan Hansen.'' On the BroadwayWorld message board, ''EM55'' pointed out the irony of ''Dear Evan Hansen's'' situation: ''So wait a show about a teen living a cultivated life on social media to mask social issues caused by mental illness is garnering a fan base of predominately teens clammering aggressively to get the attention of actors, so said teens can post the interaction and create a cultivated life on social media?'' |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: winters 04:22 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - JohnDunlop 03:27 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| When I began my theater going in 1969, I frequently waited at stage doors for an autograph or a chance to say a few words to a star. During those years there were rarely more than a handful of people. Most times the actor would take the time to sign and ask if we had a good time. On occasion we would be invited to the dressing room to have a little chat. There were times when an actor needed to rest between performances or was to tired to sign after a performance or plain old didn't want to sign. In my experience no one, actor or patron was ever rude....and I have some wonderful recollections of my interactions with these stars. BTW: Gloria Swanson had someone at the stage door handing out signed playbills. For Laurence Olivier, someone collected our programmes (it was London, we had paid for them) then returned them to us signed. Today there are masses of people waiting (sometimes demanding) that the actor sign and stand for a selfie. After a performance I can fully understand why an actor (who has no obligation to do this) can be overwhelmed by such a crown. I stopped waiting many years ago, but I still have one puzzlement. On many occasions I waited the whole time between matinee and evening performances as well as an hour or two after an evening performance. I never even saw Rubie Keeler much less ask for an autograph. Where was she? |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: Nydiva 06:32 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - winters 04:22 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| Gloria Swanson, now there was a Class Act. In the late 70s while walking along Fifth Avenue, I spotted Miss Swanson walking as well - unaccompanied. Fortunately I had my autograph book with me (I've long since retired it). I approached her very respectfully and asked her to sign. Not only was she the epitome of graciousness, but we wound up talking on the busy street corner for close to a half hour. No one else even blinked. I still have the autograph which reads "to Jeanette, a joyous heart". Lovely simply lovely. | |
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| re:FAKE playgoers | |
| Posted by: bmc 05:43 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why - winters 04:22 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| I wait with a small group after a performance of Speed the Plow. A gentleman came up with three teens, gave the three playbills and several 8x10 glossies, said I'll pick up in half an hour. Jeremy Piven was first out, was graciously signing playbills, but when the kids tried to give him the glossies, he said.' sorry guys I don't do online sales.' He knew the 14 year- olds hadn't been to the play and were just working for some Broadway Fagin | |
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| He knew something was fishy! | |
| Posted by: Ann 05:56 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: re:FAKE playgoers - bmc 05:43 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| Whew, it's been a long time since the last Piven/sushi joke ;) | |
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| re: He knew something was fishy! | |
| Posted by: bmc 07:48 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
| In reply to: He knew something was fishy! - Ann 05:56 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| LOL, or at least chuckling OL | |
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| re: Angry mom blasts Ben Platt for not stage-dooring at 'Evan Hansen'; Tony winner explains exactly why | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 04:41 pm EDT 07/03/17 | |
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| It's possible that Keeler slipped out through another door, but more than likely she was resting in her dressing room. Lots of actors, especially leads, do that. Given her age, she probably just wanted to rest. She might even have had a small bed. She could send out for dinner. | |
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