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| And who were those other cool, considerate men?? | |
| Posted by: showtunetrivia 03:51 pm EDT 07/05/17 | |
| In reply to: re: 1776 film - WaymanWong 03:41 pm EDT 07/05/17 | |
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| Seeing it on the big screen last week for the first time in decades, I was marveling at how I could see details on those guys who never get named, in particular, Neddie's pals--the one with gold braid and the one with the blue ribbons. But then, in the big finale to "CCM," I counted sixteen marching down the stairs. Sixteen! And I spent the rest of the film counting southern gentlemen in spiffy duds in the Congress, never reaching more than twelve (maybe thirteen). Who were those three or four guys? And how sad were they when the film came out without their number? Laura |
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| In the 'Cool, Cool' of the movie | |
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| Posted by: WaymanWong 04:40 pm EDT 07/05/17 | |
| In reply to: And who were those other cool, considerate men?? - showtunetrivia 03:51 pm EDT 07/05/17 | |
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| Laura, if you check out the IMDB listing for ''1776,'' they list about 15 actors who played the uncredited delegates. By the way, I read that the decision to cut ''Cool, Cool, Considerate Men'' played havoc with the movie's promotion. The film's trailer featured that number as its centerpiece, and it had already gone out, so they needed to recall and re-cut it. I forget where I read it, but producer Stuart Ostrow was concerned that the song title ''Cool, Cool, Conservative Men'' might turn off conservatives in the audience, so it became ''Cool, Cool, Considerate Men.'' Finally, Wikipedia says the song ''is anachronistic because the terms "right" and "left" in politics were not in use until the French Revolution of 1789.'' |
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| Link | IMDB.com: '1776' - Full cast list |
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| re: In the 'Cool, Cool' of the movie | |
| Posted by: showtunetrivia 05:45 pm EDT 07/05/17 | |
| In reply to: In the 'Cool, Cool' of the movie - WaymanWong 04:40 pm EDT 07/05/17 | |
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| Hey, that's cool that they're in IMDB, and that's considerate of you! I have Ostrow's memoirs and have read, uh, a bit about this show, but I've never run into that claim. I do have the demo with the first songs Edwards wrote, and it's "considerate," not "conservative." Though I don't know at what stage the demo was made, and it's possible Ostrow told him to change it before the demo got made, But it's such an 18th century phrase and so many of Edwards' lyrics are lifted from the sources, I went looking for it. "cool considerate men" is from a letter of Cesar Rodney's, commenting that even they are acknowledging the Declaration of Independence. So the demo and Edwards' love of the real words of the era make me think it was considerate all the way. Though they do sing "conservative men" in part of the song. :) Laura, who should get back to 1936, not 1776 |
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| re: In the 'Cool, Cool' of the movie | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 09:56 pm EDT 07/05/17 | |
| In reply to: re: In the 'Cool, Cool' of the movie - showtunetrivia 05:45 pm EDT 07/05/17 | |
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| Laura, you're probably right: It probably was ''Considerate'' all along. But here's one musical-theater columnist who cites that story about Ostrow, but maybe he's just repeating some misinformation. |
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| Link | 'Musings on Musicals' by Noel Katz: '1776' |
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| re: In the 'Cool, Cool' of the movie | |
| Posted by: showtunetrivia 10:41 pm EDT 07/05/17 | |
| In reply to: re: In the 'Cool, Cool' of the movie - WaymanWong 09:56 pm EDT 07/05/17 | |
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| Ostrow, in his book PRESENT AT THE CREATION, misidentified the song as "Cool, Cool Conservative Men" when discussing the White House request to cut the number. He also calls it that in both some contemporary pieces on the incident and in later interviews. I think that's what he thought the title really was. For that matter, at the Q&A with Peter Hunt, misspoke and said "conservative," but corrected himself. If anyone out there has access to Sherman Edwards' wife's diaries, I bet they would say when made thae demo. And it's "considerate" on the demo, for sure. Laura |
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| re: In the 'Cool, Cool' of the movie | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 11:45 pm EDT 07/05/17 | |
| In reply to: re: In the 'Cool, Cool' of the movie - showtunetrivia 10:41 pm EDT 07/05/17 | |
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| Too bad you didn't get to ask Hunt about this. ;) | |
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