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| Last Edit: ryhog 11:23 am EDT 07/09/17 | |
| Posted by: ryhog 11:11 am EDT 07/09/17 | |
| In reply to: Olivier/Midler - CCentero 10:33 am EDT 07/09/17 | |
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| Yes. I was surprised by the coincidence as I pulled his name out of a hat from which I easily could have pulled a different name. I'd be interested to learn the context. Found it! He was speaking of her Depression Tour in 1976, which I think reinforces the notion that her strong suit is playing Bette. No one seems to be suggesting that she is not a great entertainer. The question is about her attributes as an actor and while we can of course debate that, I don't think one side of the debate gains sustenance from her success as an entertainer. FWIW I chased her up and down the east coast to see her tour gigs multiple times. And 2-3 years ago I astonished some friends after dinner by reciting from memory virtually every word of Mud Will Be Flung Tonight. |
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| re: Olivier/Midler | |
| Posted by: CCentero 12:52 pm EDT 07/09/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Olivier/Midler - ryhog 11:11 am EDT 07/09/17 | |
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| The discussion I reacted to was: "But Murphy, unlike Midler, is an actor." That's what I object to: the continual nastiness/revisionist history about Midler. It doesn't actually build up Donna Murphy to tear down Midler, it's just a girl fight that people are creating on this board. I'm not even addressing the claim that Midler is a great actress, because nobody knows nothing, especially when people claimed for years that stars like Chaplin, Cary Grant and Kate Hepburn were simply playing themselves. Bette's strong suit may be playing Bette, but that might also be a function of what she was offered in Hollywood and what she turned down. William Goldman said she would have been fine in "Misery" and I agree. FWIW, I actually think you're a bigger fan of Midler's than I am! I don't own a single one of her recordings. |
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| re: Olivier/Midler | |
| Posted by: ryhog 01:39 pm EDT 07/09/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Olivier/Midler - CCentero 12:52 pm EDT 07/09/17 | |
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| perhaps we could put this to rest by putting quotes around "actor." As she is unquestionably a member of AEA, SAG et al, and has appeared on stage before a paying audience, she is certain an actor literally. The quotes would tell us that the person writing doesn't think much of her as an actor, under their subjective definition. And to that point, even Olivier's opinion does not alter that. (Not to mention Goldman, someone I find hard to take as a reliable barometer of anything, but that's another thread.) | |
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| re: Olivier/Midler | |
| Last Edit: CCentero 02:39 pm EDT 07/09/17 | |
| Posted by: CCentero 02:33 pm EDT 07/09/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Olivier/Midler - ryhog 01:39 pm EDT 07/09/17 | |
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| I won't put a quote around Bette Midler as an actor. It's a ridiculous assertion that she can't act. | |
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