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re: What a great idea!
Posted by: Chazwaza 01:26 pm EDT 08/16/17
In reply to: What a great idea! - NoticeMeGertrude 12:58 am EDT 08/16/17

But that doesn't work either because sometimes shows that are "crap" are hits, or find enough of an audience to run a year or two, which is longer than many brilliant or worthwhile shows.
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re: What a great idea!
Posted by: summertheater 04:48 pm EDT 08/16/17
In reply to: re: What a great idea! - Chazwaza 01:26 pm EDT 08/16/17

Good point, but if you have a limited amount of money to spend to put on a show, you'd most likely want to program the show that appeals to the widest possible audience, so you have the greatest chance of making a profit. If you're not sure about something, you can test it via workshops and/or off-off-Broadway before it goes into the "big leagues" of off-Broadway or Broadway. Off-Broadway and Broadway shouldn't be the place to test market shows that fail and never make their money back.
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re: What a great idea!
Posted by: Chazwaza 01:47 am EDT 08/17/17
In reply to: re: What a great idea! - summertheater 04:48 pm EDT 08/16/17

But i just don't think that's how theater in nyc works nowadays. Now, for a show to have a real life, it needs to be on Broadway for some amount of time... there are exceptions but generally not. And there's no way to know that a successful show in a workshop or off-off or even off-broadway will be a success in a broadway context/market/theater etc. And I'm sure you know there is not a single show that has been mounted on broadway without many readings and workshops or smaller productions before broadway. Yes there may be an exception now and then but generally not.
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re: What a great idea!
Posted by: Vectorbabe 03:06 pm EDT 08/18/17
In reply to: re: What a great idea! - Chazwaza 01:47 am EDT 08/17/17

The question is what do you mean by "a real life"?

Do you mean that it has a lasting imprint on the theatre scene with touring companies, licensed productions, high school productions, etc.

The great exception to that rule is then Seussical. Having played less than six months on Broadway, "it closed in less than six months, having lost more than $10 million, and went into the history books as one of Broadway’s biggest disappointments" (from the NY Times article, 2007).

But that flop has gone on to be quite profitable. "Almost immediately after the show was licensed, it became the most popular title in the catalog for Music Theater International. It’s still [as of 2007] in the Top Three" (NY Times)

So although the general theatre community thought the show was "crap". (My word. Not printed) It has made money for its producers since it closed. I have been unable to find out if it recouped the original investors's money.
Link NY Times, 2007
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re: What a great idea!
Posted by: ryhog 10:54 pm EDT 08/16/17
In reply to: re: What a great idea! - summertheater 04:48 pm EDT 08/16/17

one would hope that non-profits are not focused on profit, and that they would take risks which necessarily means some shows will not succeed. I'd hate a theatre community in which that wasn't largely the case, and I tend to veer away from companies for whom the prevailing goals are profit and risk aversion.
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