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| Last Edit: CookieFan 12:34 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| Posted by: CookieFan 12:23 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| While we hope the level of predatory behavior and sexual harassment has been less in the theater community than in Hollywood, none of us are naive enough to believe it didn't happen. Today, Anthony Rapp reveals the details of an encounter with Kevin Spacey that left him quite shaken and confused. At the time, Rapp was 14 and Spacey was 26. The two men haven't addressed it since, but you can tell it remains an issue for Rapp. If others are able, I hope they, too, discuss what happened to them. The conversation is beginning to shift, which can help people heal themselves and help educate others. I'm grateful to Anthony Rapp for sharing his story; I hope he finds a measure of peace in setting it free. I know it will help others. (Since Deadline's initial publication, the story has been updated to include an apology by Spacey and a bit of an explanation for his behavior on Twitter. adding “As those closest to me know, in my life I have had relationships with both men and women,” he said. “I have loved and had romantic encounters with men throughout my life, and I choose to live as a gay man.”) |
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| Link | Rapp details unwanted Spacey advance. |
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| re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey | |
| Posted by: IvyLeagueDropout 09:17 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - CookieFan 12:23 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| I remember being genuinely surprised that there wasn't more outrage about the James Barbour situation a number of years ago, and further that he continued to find work. I don't know how that isn't as bad or worse than this situation, which is terrible enough. FWIW, I completely believed Anthony's story even before Spacey quasi confirmed it. People who inflict their sexual advances on children are the worst. It isn't really morally possible to ignore and/or defend James Barbour's conduct and simultaneously be upset by Kevin Spacey's. I just wish Spacey could be prosecuted now. | |
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| Last Edit: WaymanWong 01:56 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 01:53 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - IvyLeagueDropout 09:17 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| I can't imagine who would ''ignore and/or defend James Barbour's conduct'' between himself and a teen in 2001 (at the time of ''Jane Eyre''). But for the record, there is a big difference between him and, say, Harvey Weinstein and Donald Trump, accused of sexual harassment on multiple occasions, and even Kevin Spacey. In 2008, Barbour plead guilty to two misdemeanor counts of child endangerment and served 60 days in jail on Rikers Island. He also got three years' probation during which he had to inform any prospective employers about what he had done. Having served his sentence, Barbour, like anyone convicted of a crime, is allowed to learn from his mistakes and rebuild his life. Just as you have the right to boycott his shows, he has the right to make a living, as long as he keeps his nose clean. In the past decade, he's starred in ''A Tale of Two Cities,'' earning Outer Critics, Drama Desk and Drama League nominations; done various charity concerts for Broadway Cares and worked with the Actors Fund, and in December, he'll wrap up a nearly three-year run in the title role of ''The Phantom of the Opera.'' At the time Barbour joined ''Phantom'' in 2015, the show issued this statement: ''James gave a tremendous audition and we are confident he will be a thrilling Phantom. James fully accepted responsibility for what happened 14 years ago. While we know some will disagree, we believe James has completely honored the second chance he was given beginning 7 years ago and we are happy to have him join the production.'' |
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| Last Edit: IvyLeagueDropout 08:00 am EDT 11/01/17 | |
| Posted by: IvyLeagueDropout 07:58 am EDT 11/01/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - WaymanWong 01:53 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
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| Not to harp on Barbour, but I would keep a few things in mind: -As noted by others in this thread, sexual predators seldom act once in isolation -While he did plea to 2 misdemeanor counts, that hardly tells the story. He met a 15 year old girl, molested her at that time, and set up a future sexual rendezvous with her, and then went through with it. All the while, he knew her age. While I appreciate that he did his time, and I am sure a rehash is painful for him, I imagine it is worse for her, and always will be. He is not someone who failed to separate his recyclables or tried to get a tax credit to which he was not entitled. He committed a premeditated violent sexual crime against a child. Had James Barbour done this recently (or had it first come to light recently), I think he would be in for a much greater humiliation and likely more than the slap on the wrist he got. And while in quantity this is not in league with what we know about HW or DJT, it is every bit as bad as any allegation against them. Worse, I think, because I have not heard an allegation against either Weinstein or Trump involving a child. While convicts of all stripes who do their time do get to reenter society, the recidivism rate for sex offenders requires responsible citizens and employers to keep an eye- forever- on them. I hope in addition to his jail term he continues to be in therapy. |
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| re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 01:02 am EDT 10/31/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - IvyLeagueDropout 09:17 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| But where do we go from here? Didn't Barbour carry out his sentence? Must he never work again? Must Spacey never work again for something he did 30 years ago? | |
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| Last Edit: JereNYC 03:13 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 03:10 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - KingSpeed 01:02 am EDT 10/31/17 | |
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| It will be interesting to see if, as with the Weinstein case, people start coming out of the woodwork due to Anthony Rapp's bravery at naming names here, and start telling their own stories about encounters with Kevin Spacey as teens or young adults. When this sort of behavior happens, it's very rare that it happens one time only, especially if the abuser isn't caught and brought to justice at the time. How many others went through what Rapp did...or worse...at the hands of Kevin Spacey? Is there a time limit on how long ago makes this behavior acceptable? What if he attempted to rape a teenager 10 years ago? Does that make it different? |
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| Last Edit: WaymanWong 01:46 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 01:38 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - CookieFan 12:23 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Here's the link to the original Buzzfeed article in which Anthony Rapp recalls in vivid detail Spacey's attempt to seduce him. Adam B. Vary's story starts off by recalling the dread Rapp felt watching the last Tony Awards, because Spacey was hosting them. In the wake of all the Weinstein accusations, Rapp says he felt compelled to go on the record by specifically naming Spacey now. Rapp had told the Advocate in 2001 about this attempted seduction, but Spacey's name was redacted from the story at that time. |
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| Link | Buzzfeed.com: Anthony Rapp says Kevin Spacey made sexual advance at him when he was 14 |
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| There's a LOT of schadenfreude in my NewsFeed about this. | |
| Posted by: GrumpyMorningBoy 11:20 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - WaymanWong 01:38 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| I think it's pretty fair to say that the gays are thoroughly pissed off about this. At least my particular cache of New York City gays. Because everyone was already pretty cranked that Kevin Spacey had essentially tried to re-closet himself in 1999, and somehow communicated over the years that it was a subject to be toyed and played with, winked and hinted at, including the custom lyrics written for him at this year's Tony Awards, when he began singing by saying... "I'm coming out..." And then joked that no, of course he wasn't actually COMING OUT. (Because why would a successful actor do such a thing?) There's an article in an Australian news site which I've linked below, which recounts some of this history: "Following a 1997 profile piece in Esquire magazine titled “Kevin Spacey has a secret” that strongly implied the actor is gay, Spacey denied the rumours in a Playboy interview. In the story, he went to great effort to paint a picture of a heterosexual bachelor lifestyle. “Women want to be the one to turn me around. I let them,” he told the magazine, referring to the rumours. In a 1999 interview with The Sunday Times, he was asked directly whether he’s gay.“The answer to that is no ... but why should it matter?” For Mr. Spacey to find that NOW of all moments is the time to come out publicly, only when you're being accused of attempted child molestation? Yeah. Not a good look. And a bunch of my friends thinks he fully deserves all the vitriol that's coming his way. Honestly, I don't have a whole lot of compassion for the guy. But serious props to Anthony Rapp. - GMB |
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| Link | The Rumours that have Surrounded Kevin Spacey for Years |
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| Yeah, I don't understand the schadenfreude | |
| Posted by: singleticket 08:32 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: There's a LOT of schadenfreude in my NewsFeed about this. - GrumpyMorningBoy 11:20 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| If Spacey wasn't a closet case then would everyone be so happy? Do we somehow think that coming out of the closet magically cures gay men like Spacey of their illegal sexual predilections? | |
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| re: Yeah, I don't understand the schadenfreude | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 06:13 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
| In reply to: Yeah, I don't understand the schadenfreude - singleticket 08:32 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| I heard over the years through the show biz grapevine that Spacey was gay, and that there had been some unsavory stories about his behavior, especially when he was working in England. I hadn't heard that he had any history of allegedly preying on minors though. Whether the Rapp story and any others that may follow are true, it's quite confounding (and who's happy about this?) that he would pair an apology for forgetting/not remembering supposed drunken lascivious behavior tied to an attempt at an affirmative and positive coming out declaration that is truly off-base here. There's enough prejudice and misinformation about gays (and quite a bit of child sexual abuse is done by straight people) , so why tie together in one statement the part denial/part drunken forgetfulness of an attempt to sexually abuse a child to finally, after many years of being something of an open secret about his being gay in NY, LA and London, putting forth a blithe manifest that he's decided that he is gay. 'Tis a puzzlement. | |
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| re: Yeah, I don't understand the schadenfreude | |
| Posted by: keywslt 05:46 pm EDT 11/01/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Yeah, I don't understand the schadenfreude - PlayWiz 06:13 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
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| It would have been one hell of an opportunity for Spacey to point out that living a closeted lifestyle and denying ones sexuality is dangerous and unhealthy to all of society. Repressed men with homosexual urges have preyed upon the young and defenseless for all of history. Especially upon sensitive young boys discovering their own homosexual urges. "That type will NEVER tell their parents." Two more men have come forward with allegations of assault by Spacey when they were underage (one at 17, one at 19. Yes, that's underage). Spacey is scum and his life as a celebrity is probably toast. That said, to date, Kevin Spacey has been accused of repeatedly laying on top of a child, and of harassing other male actors "under 30". Gross. But not rare. |
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| Link | Kevin Spacey accused of further instances of sexual misconduct |
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| Posted by: KingSpeed 12:48 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - CookieFan 12:23 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| According to Rapp, he has addressed it since. He told The Advocate and he told many of his friends throughout the last 30 years. As for sexual harassment in the theater, isn't the theater where the casting couch started? | |
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| Posted by: KingSpeed 06:16 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - KingSpeed 12:48 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Furthermore, this isn't a Hollywood story. The incident happened when Space and Rapp were both appearing in plays in NYC. | |
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| Last Edit: CookieFan 01:17 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| Posted by: CookieFan 01:06 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - KingSpeed 12:48 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Yes, I meant they hadn't addressed it with each other. Now that Spacey's released his latest tweet, a rather tepid, inept apology that, at the same time, almost backhandedly slips in the confirmation of his being gay, we'll see if there are other revelations that follow. | |
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| Posted by: KingSpeed 01:19 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - CookieFan 01:06 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| We'll see if other people come forward. A Family Guy episode made fun of Spacey being a pedophile. If a joke like that is made, it means people in the biz get it but aren't doing anything about it. That said, I can believe that Spacey wouldn't remember doing something 30 years ago and an apology in that case, makes sense. | |
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| Posted by: Whistler 03:19 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - KingSpeed 01:19 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Especially if Spacey was drunk, which it appears he might have been, after a party. And what was Rapp doing left alone in Spacey's apartment, let alone in his bedroom? Where were Rapp's parents, guardians, or friends? Also, it seems like Rapp was mature and sensible enough to fend Spacey off at the time. Good for him. | |
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| re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 03:05 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - Whistler 03:19 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| The point at which your answer to the question "Did you attempt to molest a kid?" is "Too drunk to remember, sorry", you've already lost. | |
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| In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 05:02 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 05:00 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - Singapore/Fling 03:05 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| The fact that Spacey apologizes for an incident he claims he can't remember, tells you all you need to know. Rather than being totally surprised by Rapp's accusation, he simply blames his memory or his drunkenness, which implies that he knows it's something he was capable of. Which only begs the question: So how often did Spacey do this? And will other victims be coming forth? Meantime, the fallout is swift: Netflix has canceled Spacey's Netflix series, ''House of Cards.'' |
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| Link | Deadline.com: Netflix pulls plug on 'House of Cards'; 'deeply troubled' over Spacey accusations |
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| re: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - not exactly | |
| Last Edit: Cainebj 05:46 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| Posted by: Cainebj 05:44 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - WaymanWong 05:00 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Just to be clear - House of Cards Season 6 was already planned on being the final season. They decided that over the summer. They are not canceling it BECAUSE of this controversy. I'm seeing people posting that all over the place and it is both misleading and not true. From what I understand, it is filming right now. | |
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| Update: Filming of the 6th and final season of 'House of Cards' has been suspended indefinitely | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 02:31 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 02:30 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
| In reply to: re: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - not exactly - Cainebj 05:44 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| ''Cast and crew of the MRC-produced series were told of the shutdown this morning. MRC and Netflix have decided to suspend production on 'House of Cards' season six, until further notice, to give us time to review the current situation and to address any concerns of our cast and crew.'' | |
| Link | Deadline.com: 'House of Cards' production suspended indefinitely, following Kevin Spacey allegations |
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| re: Update: Filming of the 6th and final season of 'House of Cards' has been suspended indefinitely | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 06:20 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
| In reply to: Update: Filming of the 6th and final season of 'House of Cards' has been suspended indefinitely - WaymanWong 02:30 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
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| I don't watch the show but couldn't they kill his character off using a combination of footage and doubles, shooting around him like they did when Jean Harlow died while filming "Saratoga"? It may not be the ending that the writers had in mind for his character in what might now be an abbreviated season, but it is an option. | |
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| re: Update: Filming of the 6th and final season of 'House of Cards' has been suspended indefinitely | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 06:51 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Update: Filming of the 6th and final season of 'House of Cards' has been suspended indefinitely - PlayWiz 06:20 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
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| I don't think so. The whole series revolves around his character. If they kill him, most likely that would be the last episode. If they should decide to go that route, they'd be wise to hire Anthony Rapp to portray the assassin. | |
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| re: Update: Filming of the 6th and final season of 'House of Cards' has been suspended indefinitely | |
| Posted by: TheOtherOne 08:22 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Update: Filming of the 6th and final season of 'House of Cards' has been suspended indefinitely - BroadwayTonyJ 06:51 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
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| That wouldn't be wise and it's really not funny. I'm sure Anthony Rapp never wants to be around him again. | |
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| re: Update: Filming of the 6th and final season of 'House of Cards' has been suspended indefinitely | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 04:32 pm EDT 11/01/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Update: Filming of the 6th and final season of 'House of Cards' has been suspended indefinitely - TheOtherOne 08:22 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
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| I wasn't trying to be funny. I was making a suggestion for poetic justice. | |
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| re: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - not exactly | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 07:34 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - not exactly - Cainebj 05:44 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Yes, that's what I'm seeing as well. TVLine: "Multiple sources confirm, however, that the decision to bring HoC to an end was made months ago and was not in response to the allegations. (A Netlix rep confirms this.)... Production on House of Cards‘ sixth and final season began earlier this month despite the fact that Netflix never officially confirmed that it had even ordered a Season 6." I'm not surprised the Spacey news made them want to go public with that decision, though. |
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| re: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - not exactly | |
| Posted by: ryhog 07:38 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - not exactly - MockingbirdGirl 07:34 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| It's going to be weird. I don't know how far along they are but I can see them re-writing down his presence. | |
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| re: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - not exactly | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 03:21 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
| In reply to: re: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - not exactly - ryhog 07:38 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| If you look at the third series of the original HOUSE OF CARDS from the BBC, there's a perfect template for writing out Spacey's character. The last series finale already seemed to refocus the show on Robin Wright's Claire anyway. Even without following the BBC template, given the direction things were going in the last finale, it would be very easy to completely sideline Spacey's Frank and the show wouldn't miss a beat. |
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| re: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - not exactly | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 08:10 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - not exactly - ryhog 07:38 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Perhaps... but my guess is it's too soon to speculate. It's playing particularly badly with the gay community right now -- for obvious (and deserved) reasons -- but I suspect much will hinge on whether anyone else comes forward with similar allegations or whether it remains an isolated 30-year-old incident. | |
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| re: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - not exactly | |
| Posted by: ryhog 10:29 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - not exactly - MockingbirdGirl 08:10 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| FWIW New York has no statute of limitations for this crime. I think his career is over, certainly on the New York stage. I don't think this chapter has been written yet, but I think what is "playing bad" is not limited to the gay community. I think his conflation of his gayness and his crime is unforgivable in the gay community, but the crime alone is unforgivable to everyone except I guess the pedo community. So there is my speculation, untimely as it may be. | |
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| for anyone behind in their House of Cards watching, spoiler alert in the link in Wayman's post | |
| Posted by: ryhog 05:11 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - WaymanWong 05:00 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Deadline was kind enough to spill the beans. | |
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| You're blaming the victim... | |
| Posted by: CCentero 11:38 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - Whistler 03:19 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| "It seems like Rapp was mature and sensible enough to fend Spacey off at the time." He was 14. | |
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| Last Edit: Delvino 12:59 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| Posted by: Delvino 12:57 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: You're blaming the victim... - CCentero 11:38 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Thank you. It’s been startling how many smart people are presuming a 14-year-old was both fair game and “willing.” It’s all because Rapp is out. Were he straight and, say, married to a woman, he’d be characterized as a victim on par with those abused by priests*. But two gay actors are immediately almost fetishized as in cahoots. *gay victims often receive less compassion, but not a topic for this board. |
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| re: You're blaming the victim... | |
| Posted by: CCentero 01:13 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: You're blaming the victim... - Delvino 12:57 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Guess I wasn't the only person who misunderstood this post. | |
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| re: You're blaming the victim... | |
| Posted by: ryhog 05:04 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: You're blaming the victim... - CCentero 01:13 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| I don't think you misunderstood it. Perhaps blame is not the best word, but it is of no moment that some victims are better able to take care of themselves than others (and this is particularly true is sex crimes where there is a presumption). An attempted murder is no less heinous because the victim was a martial arts practitioner who was able to disable the murderer before the deed was done. | |
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| re: You're blaming the victim... | |
| Posted by: winters 12:53 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: You're blaming the victim... - CCentero 11:38 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| I don't believe that he is blaming the victim. I believe that he is crediting Rapp's maturity at stopping this crime from going any further. The story might not have ended there for too many other youths. | |
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| Posted by: PlayWiz 06:22 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
| In reply to: re: You're blaming the victim... - winters 12:53 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| That's how I understood it, too, winters. | |
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| Posted by: CCentero 12:55 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Point taken. Sorry, the wording of the post confused me. | |
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| re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey | |
| Posted by: Showtunegal 04:48 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - Whistler 03:19 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| I'm bothered by Spacey's "apology." Is an apology the moment to publicly come out? To me, it shifts the focus off (or TRIES to shift the focus off) what happened, which is that he tried to have sex with a 14 year old. What struck me in the article is how much Rapp sounds like a lot of the women we've been hearing from in recent weeks--he was horrified, at first he told no one, he was young, it bothered him for years...to me it's a reminder that this kind of assault doesn't just happen to women. I think he is right that this is the moment for people to speak. And yes, the Family Guy episode with the Kevin Spacey pedophile joke? This is clearly not an isolated incident. I hope others who may have been assaulted find some comfort and that more people speak out. | |
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| Posted by: sf 08:56 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - Showtunegal 04:48 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| "I'm bothered by Spacey's "apology." Is an apology the moment to publicly come out?" Precisely. It strikes me as an unpleasantly cynical move: in too many media outlets, it's more than likely the headline, at least initially, was "Kevin Spacey comes out" rather than Rapp's allegation (Reuters already did this; they've since changed the emphasis of the story, but the original tweet is still up, I think). |
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| re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey | |
| Posted by: TheOtherOne 07:40 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - Showtunegal 04:48 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| He has taken a page from former NJ governor Jim McGreevey. When caught giving the job of state director of Homeland Security to his Israeli lover, he attributed his act to his life as a "gay American." McGreevey's lover, however, was not a minor. Creepy. |
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| re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey | |
| Posted by: Deirdre 07:31 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - Showtunegal 04:48 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Much of Twitter agrees with you. Spacey is getting ripped to shreds. | |
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| Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 10:22 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 10:21 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - Deirdre 07:31 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| * Dan Savage: ''There's no amount of drunk or closeted that excuses or explains away assaulting a 14-year-old child.'' * Billy Eichner: ''Kevin Spacey has just invented something that has never existed before: a bad time to come out.'' * Frank Rich: ''This is changing the subject. Rapp's charge is pedophilia.'' * Ben Shapiro: "Sure, I may have tried to rape a 14-year-old boy when I was 26, but I'm gay!" is a pretty horrible defense. |
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| Link | Hollywood Reporter: Spacey provokes furious backlash by coming out as gay in sexual assault apology statement |
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| re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement | |
| Posted by: Radar123 01:25 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement - WaymanWong 10:21 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| I love how Spacey's statement makes it all about HIM. "Oh, yes, this has been my lifestyle choice" blah blah blah. Someone was traumatized by an event thirty years ago, fine, let's talk about ME. Typical egomaniac actor. But I will say this--we don't know Spacey knew Rapp was a minor: Rapp was (presumeably) at this adult party unaccompanied and unsupervised, it was at the end of the party, is that people would hook up so unusual? Rapp had NO BUSINESS BEING THERE IN THAT SITUATION, and that he would be propositioned by SOMEONE is highly probable. Rapp suggests Spacey did not use force or coerce him, at least from what he stated now. Rapp WAS victimized: it's a clear lack of appropriate monitoring of a minor. (Even if: he lied to a parental figure to go to the party, if he arrived with a dozen friends, who were of age, etc--NO MATTER.) Somebody dropped the ball and it wasn't Spacey. |
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| re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement | |
| Posted by: winters 01:35 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement - Radar123 01:25 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| I saw 'Precious Sons'. Unless Spacey was blind drunk (literally) he knew that Rapp was underage. I'm not sure that Rapp could have passed for 14, much less 18. A valid question is: How did it come about that a 14 year old was at an adult party.....alone after the party was over....without some guardian responsibility? A hypothetical would be.....if the older actor were a 26 y/o female and had succeeded..... how many in our society would be crying outrage and how many would be congratulating the 14 y/o on his success? Just a hypothetical question about our sexist society ... |
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| re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 02:50 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement - winters 01:35 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Rapp has addressed that question, partly to defend his late mother from attacks on her parenting, by saying that it was a different time and he, at 14, was riding the subway and going to his work at the theatre on his own. When he was invited to a party at Spacey's home after meeting him at some theatre event, he says there was no reason to think anything untoward was afoot and he went by himself to the party as he did other theatre events. In support of Rapp, I see high school age kids almost every day getting themselves to and from their schools via public transit. It's not uncommon to see 14 year olds on their own. The real question here is WHY Spacey might've invited this one kid to a party otherwise full of adults. Given Spacey's reputation, it's not hard to imagine that he identified a proto-gay kid at an industry event and invited him to a party with the idea of what happened happening. From Rapp's description of the party, it certainly seems that neither Spacey nor any of the guests made any attempt to engage him in socializing and no one even missed him when he spent the entire party alone in Spacey's bedroom watching TV. I applaud Rapp for coming forward and naming names. That's what needs to happen to shame this behavior into oblivion. Who knows how many other 14 year olds got attacked by Spacey in this way over the years and how many of those didn't have Rapp's presence of mind or sheer luck to escape. Now that someone of Rapp's stature has come forward, it wouldn't surprise me if more started coming out of the wood work. |
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| re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement | |
| Last Edit: gcarl44 09:06 pm EDT 11/01/17 | |
| Posted by: gcarl44 09:01 pm EDT 11/01/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement - JereNYC 02:50 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| First of all, I am not defending Spacey. Nor am I attacking Rapp. I don't think that all the facts are in, and I don't think we can know what really happened, nor should we assume to know and rush to judgement. If Spacey actually did something with intent, then he certainly can be labeled a pedophile. Here is what we do know: "From Rapp's description of the party, it certainly seems that neither Spacey nor any of the guests made any attempt to engage him in socializing and no one even missed him when he spent the entire party alone in Spacey's bedroom watching TV." He was there as a minor, unsupervised. Why? However, I would ask some questions. If Rapp was not enjoying himself because no one was paying any atttention to him, why did he not leave. Why did he choose to go into Spacey's bedroom to "watch TV" until all the guests had gone? When I was 14 and gay (longer than 30 years ago), I sought out older men (older than Spacey was then), and I am sure that Rapp, at the age of 14 and being in the theater, was more sophisticated about this world than I was at that age. If Spacey specifically invited him, why would he ignore him during the party? Is it even remotely possible that Spacey invited a group of people, and Rapp was in that group? Is it even further remotely possible that Spacey "laid down on him" because he was drunk and passed out? I have not seen any information anywhere that tells us what happened next, except that Rapp was able to get away. Why now? In the Weinstein cases, I certainly understand why they kept silent. But once Rapp was a grown man (30 years later) why didn't he do something? He would not have been afraid of reprisals that would have affected his career. He certainly had opportunities to at least confront his "attacker", if not go public. It will be interesting to see who else comes forward, but right now, as VILE as Spacey might have been, let us not rush to judgement. I do, however agree, that Spacey's coming out statement being made a part of his apology was, at the very least ill advised, and placed an entirely different tone on the matter. It made it sound more like an excuse than an apology. That is horrific. |
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| re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement | |
| Posted by: gcarl44 09:16 pm EDT 11/01/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement - gcarl44 09:01 pm EDT 11/01/17 | |
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| PS: The news story I first heard indicated that Rapp said Spacey carried him into the bedroom and then laid down on top of him. It appears, from these posts, that he now claims he was in the bedroom watching TV. This would make a huge difference, in terms of what may or may not have happened. | |
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