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| re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey | |
| Last Edit: CookieFan 01:17 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| Posted by: CookieFan 01:06 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - KingSpeed 12:48 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Yes, I meant they hadn't addressed it with each other. Now that Spacey's released his latest tweet, a rather tepid, inept apology that, at the same time, almost backhandedly slips in the confirmation of his being gay, we'll see if there are other revelations that follow. | |
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| re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 01:19 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - CookieFan 01:06 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| We'll see if other people come forward. A Family Guy episode made fun of Spacey being a pedophile. If a joke like that is made, it means people in the biz get it but aren't doing anything about it. That said, I can believe that Spacey wouldn't remember doing something 30 years ago and an apology in that case, makes sense. | |
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| re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey | |
| Posted by: Whistler 03:19 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - KingSpeed 01:19 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Especially if Spacey was drunk, which it appears he might have been, after a party. And what was Rapp doing left alone in Spacey's apartment, let alone in his bedroom? Where were Rapp's parents, guardians, or friends? Also, it seems like Rapp was mature and sensible enough to fend Spacey off at the time. Good for him. | |
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| re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 03:05 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - Whistler 03:19 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| The point at which your answer to the question "Did you attempt to molest a kid?" is "Too drunk to remember, sorry", you've already lost. | |
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| In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 05:02 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 05:00 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - Singapore/Fling 03:05 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| The fact that Spacey apologizes for an incident he claims he can't remember, tells you all you need to know. Rather than being totally surprised by Rapp's accusation, he simply blames his memory or his drunkenness, which implies that he knows it's something he was capable of. Which only begs the question: So how often did Spacey do this? And will other victims be coming forth? Meantime, the fallout is swift: Netflix has canceled Spacey's Netflix series, ''House of Cards.'' |
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| Link | Deadline.com: Netflix pulls plug on 'House of Cards'; 'deeply troubled' over Spacey accusations |
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| re: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - not exactly | |
| Last Edit: Cainebj 05:46 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| Posted by: Cainebj 05:44 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - WaymanWong 05:00 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Just to be clear - House of Cards Season 6 was already planned on being the final season. They decided that over the summer. They are not canceling it BECAUSE of this controversy. I'm seeing people posting that all over the place and it is both misleading and not true. From what I understand, it is filming right now. | |
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| Update: Filming of the 6th and final season of 'House of Cards' has been suspended indefinitely | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 02:31 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 02:30 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
| In reply to: re: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - not exactly - Cainebj 05:44 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| ''Cast and crew of the MRC-produced series were told of the shutdown this morning. MRC and Netflix have decided to suspend production on 'House of Cards' season six, until further notice, to give us time to review the current situation and to address any concerns of our cast and crew.'' | |
| Link | Deadline.com: 'House of Cards' production suspended indefinitely, following Kevin Spacey allegations |
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| re: Update: Filming of the 6th and final season of 'House of Cards' has been suspended indefinitely | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 06:20 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
| In reply to: Update: Filming of the 6th and final season of 'House of Cards' has been suspended indefinitely - WaymanWong 02:30 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
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| I don't watch the show but couldn't they kill his character off using a combination of footage and doubles, shooting around him like they did when Jean Harlow died while filming "Saratoga"? It may not be the ending that the writers had in mind for his character in what might now be an abbreviated season, but it is an option. | |
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| re: Update: Filming of the 6th and final season of 'House of Cards' has been suspended indefinitely | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 06:51 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Update: Filming of the 6th and final season of 'House of Cards' has been suspended indefinitely - PlayWiz 06:20 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
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| I don't think so. The whole series revolves around his character. If they kill him, most likely that would be the last episode. If they should decide to go that route, they'd be wise to hire Anthony Rapp to portray the assassin. | |
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| re: Update: Filming of the 6th and final season of 'House of Cards' has been suspended indefinitely | |
| Posted by: TheOtherOne 08:22 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Update: Filming of the 6th and final season of 'House of Cards' has been suspended indefinitely - BroadwayTonyJ 06:51 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
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| That wouldn't be wise and it's really not funny. I'm sure Anthony Rapp never wants to be around him again. | |
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| re: Update: Filming of the 6th and final season of 'House of Cards' has been suspended indefinitely | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 04:32 pm EDT 11/01/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Update: Filming of the 6th and final season of 'House of Cards' has been suspended indefinitely - TheOtherOne 08:22 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
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| I wasn't trying to be funny. I was making a suggestion for poetic justice. | |
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| re: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - not exactly | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 07:34 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - not exactly - Cainebj 05:44 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Yes, that's what I'm seeing as well. TVLine: "Multiple sources confirm, however, that the decision to bring HoC to an end was made months ago and was not in response to the allegations. (A Netlix rep confirms this.)... Production on House of Cards‘ sixth and final season began earlier this month despite the fact that Netflix never officially confirmed that it had even ordered a Season 6." I'm not surprised the Spacey news made them want to go public with that decision, though. |
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| re: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - not exactly | |
| Posted by: ryhog 07:38 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - not exactly - MockingbirdGirl 07:34 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| It's going to be weird. I don't know how far along they are but I can see them re-writing down his presence. | |
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| re: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - not exactly | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 03:21 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
| In reply to: re: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - not exactly - ryhog 07:38 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| If you look at the third series of the original HOUSE OF CARDS from the BBC, there's a perfect template for writing out Spacey's character. The last series finale already seemed to refocus the show on Robin Wright's Claire anyway. Even without following the BBC template, given the direction things were going in the last finale, it would be very easy to completely sideline Spacey's Frank and the show wouldn't miss a beat. |
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| re: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - not exactly | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 08:10 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - not exactly - ryhog 07:38 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Perhaps... but my guess is it's too soon to speculate. It's playing particularly badly with the gay community right now -- for obvious (and deserved) reasons -- but I suspect much will hinge on whether anyone else comes forward with similar allegations or whether it remains an isolated 30-year-old incident. | |
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| re: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - not exactly | |
| Posted by: ryhog 10:29 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - not exactly - MockingbirdGirl 08:10 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| FWIW New York has no statute of limitations for this crime. I think his career is over, certainly on the New York stage. I don't think this chapter has been written yet, but I think what is "playing bad" is not limited to the gay community. I think his conflation of his gayness and his crime is unforgivable in the gay community, but the crime alone is unforgivable to everyone except I guess the pedo community. So there is my speculation, untimely as it may be. | |
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| for anyone behind in their House of Cards watching, spoiler alert in the link in Wayman's post | |
| Posted by: ryhog 05:11 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: In the wake of the fallout, Spacey's 'House of Cards' folds - WaymanWong 05:00 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Deadline was kind enough to spill the beans. | |
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| You're blaming the victim... | |
| Posted by: CCentero 11:38 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - Whistler 03:19 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| "It seems like Rapp was mature and sensible enough to fend Spacey off at the time." He was 14. | |
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| re: You're blaming the victim... | |
| Last Edit: Delvino 12:59 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| Posted by: Delvino 12:57 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: You're blaming the victim... - CCentero 11:38 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Thank you. It’s been startling how many smart people are presuming a 14-year-old was both fair game and “willing.” It’s all because Rapp is out. Were he straight and, say, married to a woman, he’d be characterized as a victim on par with those abused by priests*. But two gay actors are immediately almost fetishized as in cahoots. *gay victims often receive less compassion, but not a topic for this board. |
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| re: You're blaming the victim... | |
| Posted by: CCentero 01:13 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: You're blaming the victim... - Delvino 12:57 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Guess I wasn't the only person who misunderstood this post. | |
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| re: You're blaming the victim... | |
| Posted by: ryhog 05:04 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: You're blaming the victim... - CCentero 01:13 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| I don't think you misunderstood it. Perhaps blame is not the best word, but it is of no moment that some victims are better able to take care of themselves than others (and this is particularly true is sex crimes where there is a presumption). An attempted murder is no less heinous because the victim was a martial arts practitioner who was able to disable the murderer before the deed was done. | |
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| re: You're blaming the victim... | |
| Posted by: winters 12:53 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: You're blaming the victim... - CCentero 11:38 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| I don't believe that he is blaming the victim. I believe that he is crediting Rapp's maturity at stopping this crime from going any further. The story might not have ended there for too many other youths. | |
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| re: You're blaming the victim... | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 06:22 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
| In reply to: re: You're blaming the victim... - winters 12:53 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| That's how I understood it, too, winters. | |
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| re: You're blaming the victim... | |
| Posted by: CCentero 12:55 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: You're blaming the victim... - winters 12:53 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Point taken. Sorry, the wording of the post confused me. | |
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| re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey | |
| Posted by: Showtunegal 04:48 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - Whistler 03:19 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| I'm bothered by Spacey's "apology." Is an apology the moment to publicly come out? To me, it shifts the focus off (or TRIES to shift the focus off) what happened, which is that he tried to have sex with a 14 year old. What struck me in the article is how much Rapp sounds like a lot of the women we've been hearing from in recent weeks--he was horrified, at first he told no one, he was young, it bothered him for years...to me it's a reminder that this kind of assault doesn't just happen to women. I think he is right that this is the moment for people to speak. And yes, the Family Guy episode with the Kevin Spacey pedophile joke? This is clearly not an isolated incident. I hope others who may have been assaulted find some comfort and that more people speak out. | |
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| re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey | |
| Posted by: sf 08:56 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - Showtunegal 04:48 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| "I'm bothered by Spacey's "apology." Is an apology the moment to publicly come out?" Precisely. It strikes me as an unpleasantly cynical move: in too many media outlets, it's more than likely the headline, at least initially, was "Kevin Spacey comes out" rather than Rapp's allegation (Reuters already did this; they've since changed the emphasis of the story, but the original tweet is still up, I think). |
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| re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey | |
| Posted by: TheOtherOne 07:40 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - Showtunegal 04:48 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| He has taken a page from former NJ governor Jim McGreevey. When caught giving the job of state director of Homeland Security to his Israeli lover, he attributed his act to his life as a "gay American." McGreevey's lover, however, was not a minor. Creepy. |
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| re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey | |
| Posted by: Deirdre 07:31 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - Showtunegal 04:48 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Much of Twitter agrees with you. Spacey is getting ripped to shreds. | |
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| Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 10:22 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 10:21 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - Deirdre 07:31 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| * Dan Savage: ''There's no amount of drunk or closeted that excuses or explains away assaulting a 14-year-old child.'' * Billy Eichner: ''Kevin Spacey has just invented something that has never existed before: a bad time to come out.'' * Frank Rich: ''This is changing the subject. Rapp's charge is pedophilia.'' * Ben Shapiro: "Sure, I may have tried to rape a 14-year-old boy when I was 26, but I'm gay!" is a pretty horrible defense. |
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| Link | Hollywood Reporter: Spacey provokes furious backlash by coming out as gay in sexual assault apology statement |
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| re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement | |
| Posted by: Radar123 01:25 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement - WaymanWong 10:21 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| I love how Spacey's statement makes it all about HIM. "Oh, yes, this has been my lifestyle choice" blah blah blah. Someone was traumatized by an event thirty years ago, fine, let's talk about ME. Typical egomaniac actor. But I will say this--we don't know Spacey knew Rapp was a minor: Rapp was (presumeably) at this adult party unaccompanied and unsupervised, it was at the end of the party, is that people would hook up so unusual? Rapp had NO BUSINESS BEING THERE IN THAT SITUATION, and that he would be propositioned by SOMEONE is highly probable. Rapp suggests Spacey did not use force or coerce him, at least from what he stated now. Rapp WAS victimized: it's a clear lack of appropriate monitoring of a minor. (Even if: he lied to a parental figure to go to the party, if he arrived with a dozen friends, who were of age, etc--NO MATTER.) Somebody dropped the ball and it wasn't Spacey. |
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| re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement | |
| Posted by: winters 01:35 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement - Radar123 01:25 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| I saw 'Precious Sons'. Unless Spacey was blind drunk (literally) he knew that Rapp was underage. I'm not sure that Rapp could have passed for 14, much less 18. A valid question is: How did it come about that a 14 year old was at an adult party.....alone after the party was over....without some guardian responsibility? A hypothetical would be.....if the older actor were a 26 y/o female and had succeeded..... how many in our society would be crying outrage and how many would be congratulating the 14 y/o on his success? Just a hypothetical question about our sexist society ... |
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| re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 02:50 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement - winters 01:35 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Rapp has addressed that question, partly to defend his late mother from attacks on her parenting, by saying that it was a different time and he, at 14, was riding the subway and going to his work at the theatre on his own. When he was invited to a party at Spacey's home after meeting him at some theatre event, he says there was no reason to think anything untoward was afoot and he went by himself to the party as he did other theatre events. In support of Rapp, I see high school age kids almost every day getting themselves to and from their schools via public transit. It's not uncommon to see 14 year olds on their own. The real question here is WHY Spacey might've invited this one kid to a party otherwise full of adults. Given Spacey's reputation, it's not hard to imagine that he identified a proto-gay kid at an industry event and invited him to a party with the idea of what happened happening. From Rapp's description of the party, it certainly seems that neither Spacey nor any of the guests made any attempt to engage him in socializing and no one even missed him when he spent the entire party alone in Spacey's bedroom watching TV. I applaud Rapp for coming forward and naming names. That's what needs to happen to shame this behavior into oblivion. Who knows how many other 14 year olds got attacked by Spacey in this way over the years and how many of those didn't have Rapp's presence of mind or sheer luck to escape. Now that someone of Rapp's stature has come forward, it wouldn't surprise me if more started coming out of the wood work. |
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| re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement | |
| Last Edit: gcarl44 09:06 pm EDT 11/01/17 | |
| Posted by: gcarl44 09:01 pm EDT 11/01/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement - JereNYC 02:50 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| First of all, I am not defending Spacey. Nor am I attacking Rapp. I don't think that all the facts are in, and I don't think we can know what really happened, nor should we assume to know and rush to judgement. If Spacey actually did something with intent, then he certainly can be labeled a pedophile. Here is what we do know: "From Rapp's description of the party, it certainly seems that neither Spacey nor any of the guests made any attempt to engage him in socializing and no one even missed him when he spent the entire party alone in Spacey's bedroom watching TV." He was there as a minor, unsupervised. Why? However, I would ask some questions. If Rapp was not enjoying himself because no one was paying any atttention to him, why did he not leave. Why did he choose to go into Spacey's bedroom to "watch TV" until all the guests had gone? When I was 14 and gay (longer than 30 years ago), I sought out older men (older than Spacey was then), and I am sure that Rapp, at the age of 14 and being in the theater, was more sophisticated about this world than I was at that age. If Spacey specifically invited him, why would he ignore him during the party? Is it even remotely possible that Spacey invited a group of people, and Rapp was in that group? Is it even further remotely possible that Spacey "laid down on him" because he was drunk and passed out? I have not seen any information anywhere that tells us what happened next, except that Rapp was able to get away. Why now? In the Weinstein cases, I certainly understand why they kept silent. But once Rapp was a grown man (30 years later) why didn't he do something? He would not have been afraid of reprisals that would have affected his career. He certainly had opportunities to at least confront his "attacker", if not go public. It will be interesting to see who else comes forward, but right now, as VILE as Spacey might have been, let us not rush to judgement. I do, however agree, that Spacey's coming out statement being made a part of his apology was, at the very least ill advised, and placed an entirely different tone on the matter. It made it sound more like an excuse than an apology. That is horrific. |
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| re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement | |
| Posted by: gcarl44 09:16 pm EDT 11/01/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement - gcarl44 09:01 pm EDT 11/01/17 | |
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| PS: The news story I first heard indicated that Rapp said Spacey carried him into the bedroom and then laid down on top of him. It appears, from these posts, that he now claims he was in the bedroom watching TV. This would make a huge difference, in terms of what may or may not have happened. | |
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