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| re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey | |
| Posted by: Deirdre 07:31 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - Showtunegal 04:48 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Much of Twitter agrees with you. Spacey is getting ripped to shreds. | |
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| Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 10:22 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 10:21 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: A Rapp Against Kevin Spacey - Deirdre 07:31 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| * Dan Savage: ''There's no amount of drunk or closeted that excuses or explains away assaulting a 14-year-old child.'' * Billy Eichner: ''Kevin Spacey has just invented something that has never existed before: a bad time to come out.'' * Frank Rich: ''This is changing the subject. Rapp's charge is pedophilia.'' * Ben Shapiro: "Sure, I may have tried to rape a 14-year-old boy when I was 26, but I'm gay!" is a pretty horrible defense. |
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| Link | Hollywood Reporter: Spacey provokes furious backlash by coming out as gay in sexual assault apology statement |
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| re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement | |
| Posted by: Radar123 01:25 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement - WaymanWong 10:21 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| I love how Spacey's statement makes it all about HIM. "Oh, yes, this has been my lifestyle choice" blah blah blah. Someone was traumatized by an event thirty years ago, fine, let's talk about ME. Typical egomaniac actor. But I will say this--we don't know Spacey knew Rapp was a minor: Rapp was (presumeably) at this adult party unaccompanied and unsupervised, it was at the end of the party, is that people would hook up so unusual? Rapp had NO BUSINESS BEING THERE IN THAT SITUATION, and that he would be propositioned by SOMEONE is highly probable. Rapp suggests Spacey did not use force or coerce him, at least from what he stated now. Rapp WAS victimized: it's a clear lack of appropriate monitoring of a minor. (Even if: he lied to a parental figure to go to the party, if he arrived with a dozen friends, who were of age, etc--NO MATTER.) Somebody dropped the ball and it wasn't Spacey. |
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| re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement | |
| Posted by: winters 01:35 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement - Radar123 01:25 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| I saw 'Precious Sons'. Unless Spacey was blind drunk (literally) he knew that Rapp was underage. I'm not sure that Rapp could have passed for 14, much less 18. A valid question is: How did it come about that a 14 year old was at an adult party.....alone after the party was over....without some guardian responsibility? A hypothetical would be.....if the older actor were a 26 y/o female and had succeeded..... how many in our society would be crying outrage and how many would be congratulating the 14 y/o on his success? Just a hypothetical question about our sexist society ... |
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| re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 02:50 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement - winters 01:35 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Rapp has addressed that question, partly to defend his late mother from attacks on her parenting, by saying that it was a different time and he, at 14, was riding the subway and going to his work at the theatre on his own. When he was invited to a party at Spacey's home after meeting him at some theatre event, he says there was no reason to think anything untoward was afoot and he went by himself to the party as he did other theatre events. In support of Rapp, I see high school age kids almost every day getting themselves to and from their schools via public transit. It's not uncommon to see 14 year olds on their own. The real question here is WHY Spacey might've invited this one kid to a party otherwise full of adults. Given Spacey's reputation, it's not hard to imagine that he identified a proto-gay kid at an industry event and invited him to a party with the idea of what happened happening. From Rapp's description of the party, it certainly seems that neither Spacey nor any of the guests made any attempt to engage him in socializing and no one even missed him when he spent the entire party alone in Spacey's bedroom watching TV. I applaud Rapp for coming forward and naming names. That's what needs to happen to shame this behavior into oblivion. Who knows how many other 14 year olds got attacked by Spacey in this way over the years and how many of those didn't have Rapp's presence of mind or sheer luck to escape. Now that someone of Rapp's stature has come forward, it wouldn't surprise me if more started coming out of the wood work. |
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| re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement | |
| Last Edit: gcarl44 09:06 pm EDT 11/01/17 | |
| Posted by: gcarl44 09:01 pm EDT 11/01/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement - JereNYC 02:50 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| First of all, I am not defending Spacey. Nor am I attacking Rapp. I don't think that all the facts are in, and I don't think we can know what really happened, nor should we assume to know and rush to judgement. If Spacey actually did something with intent, then he certainly can be labeled a pedophile. Here is what we do know: "From Rapp's description of the party, it certainly seems that neither Spacey nor any of the guests made any attempt to engage him in socializing and no one even missed him when he spent the entire party alone in Spacey's bedroom watching TV." He was there as a minor, unsupervised. Why? However, I would ask some questions. If Rapp was not enjoying himself because no one was paying any atttention to him, why did he not leave. Why did he choose to go into Spacey's bedroom to "watch TV" until all the guests had gone? When I was 14 and gay (longer than 30 years ago), I sought out older men (older than Spacey was then), and I am sure that Rapp, at the age of 14 and being in the theater, was more sophisticated about this world than I was at that age. If Spacey specifically invited him, why would he ignore him during the party? Is it even remotely possible that Spacey invited a group of people, and Rapp was in that group? Is it even further remotely possible that Spacey "laid down on him" because he was drunk and passed out? I have not seen any information anywhere that tells us what happened next, except that Rapp was able to get away. Why now? In the Weinstein cases, I certainly understand why they kept silent. But once Rapp was a grown man (30 years later) why didn't he do something? He would not have been afraid of reprisals that would have affected his career. He certainly had opportunities to at least confront his "attacker", if not go public. It will be interesting to see who else comes forward, but right now, as VILE as Spacey might have been, let us not rush to judgement. I do, however agree, that Spacey's coming out statement being made a part of his apology was, at the very least ill advised, and placed an entirely different tone on the matter. It made it sound more like an excuse than an apology. That is horrific. |
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| re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement | |
| Posted by: gcarl44 09:16 pm EDT 11/01/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Twitter blasts Spacey's combo 'apology'/coming-out statement - gcarl44 09:01 pm EDT 11/01/17 | |
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| PS: The news story I first heard indicated that Rapp said Spacey carried him into the bedroom and then laid down on top of him. It appears, from these posts, that he now claims he was in the bedroom watching TV. This would make a huge difference, in terms of what may or may not have happened. | |
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