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| Illyria yesterday | |
| Posted by: charles1055 11:08 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| I'm partial to Richard Nelson's style, but I really liked Illyria yesterday. Obviously Colleen Dewhurst and Joseph Papp have passed away but what about the others? Slight spoiler, but there's a really interesting moment towards the end where Joe Papp and Bernie Gersten are bemoaning the soon to be built Lincoln Center which I thought was REALLY amusing given Gersten's later involvement with LCT. |
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| I'm wondering... | |
| Last Edit: gad90210 02:50 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| Posted by: gad90210 02:48 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: Illyria yesterday - charles1055 11:08 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| How close the production came to capturing Papp: his speech patterns, mannerisms, gestures, etc. Does anyone know if Nelson knew Papp? Or, if not, if there was anyone consulting with Nelson to get the details right. It seems to me that John Magaro did a great job, but I didn't know Papp personally. He came across as brooding, distracted, prideful, quietly seething, and not above throwing his weight around. I enjoyed the play a lot but agree that it was a bit too low key and several opportunities for drama were missed. |
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| re: Illyria yesterday | |
| Last Edit: davei2000 11:43 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| Posted by: davei2000 11:40 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: Illyria yesterday - charles1055 11:08 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Characters who are still alive include Gersten, Merle Debuskey, and David Amram. I heard a talkback with Nelson, who said he gave them all drafts for comment. Amram wanted him to know that he doesn't play the guitar. I found it rather low-key as drama. It was easy to miss the concern over Papp's (and Gersten's) troubles with HUAC in the subdued conversations onstage. The personal recriminations were louder. But obviously a heartfelt tribute to that generation's dedication. |
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| re: Illyria yesterday | |
| Posted by: den 01:44 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Illyria yesterday - davei2000 11:40 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Low-key is an understatement. I was very disappointed in this and thought it was a missed opportunity to tell a pretty exciting story. No energy at all. | |
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| re: Illyria yesterday | |
| Posted by: davei2000 02:16 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Illyria yesterday - den 01:44 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Yes, and it seemed like the actors had been directed not to project. An usher was announcing before the play that the work was "conversational," and we should consider the hearing devices. That's a new announcement to me. I believe I heard most of it, but it was an effort. I don't recall any such effort in the Apple family plays, which were just as conversational in nature. |
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| re: Illyria yesterday | |
| Posted by: t-lo 05:32 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Illyria yesterday - davei2000 02:16 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| I was given a similar warning about how quiet it was before several of the Gabriels plays. | |
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| re: Illyria yesterday | |
| Posted by: comedywest 04:33 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Illyria yesterday - davei2000 02:16 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| That's what that announcement was? It came just before the lights went down. I was in the middle of row G, a row from the back, and I couldn't hear the usher. Neither apparently could anyone else. I assumed it was just the turn off your cellphones announcement. And yes, the Apple plays were conversational and all those actors were easily heard. It's too bad, because I really like Nelson's work; I just wish I'd heard more of this one. |
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| re: Illyria yesterday | |
| Posted by: davei2000 04:44 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Illyria yesterday - comedywest 04:33 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| No, he was saying it as we came in, right by the spot where they were handing the devices out. It had to have been a reaction to complaints after earlier performances. Yes, my experience of the Apple plays was that the actors perfectly handled the balance between naturalism and audibility... |
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| re: Illyria yesterday | |
| Posted by: dlevy 03:26 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Illyria yesterday - davei2000 02:16 pm EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| That has been a hallmark of Richard Nelson's direction for a while. | |
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| re: Illyria yesterday | |
| Posted by: charles1055 11:51 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Illyria yesterday - davei2000 11:40 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| I believe Peggy Papp is still alive as well. | |
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| re: Illyria yesterday | |
| Posted by: chamberlain 11:18 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
| In reply to: Illyria yesterday - charles1055 11:08 am EDT 10/30/17 | |
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| Yes, and Papp's. He ran the Beaumont from 1973 to 1977. | |
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