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| Last Edit: ukpaul 03:38 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
| Posted by: ukpaul 03:34 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
| In reply to: Waugh descendant picks Oxford as Bard - lordofspeech 03:20 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
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| All rubbish, read a writer like Jonathan Bate who has done the research and who makes clear why the plays were written by someone with the knowledge and background of a grammar school boy from the midlands (even relating how plants m his home county make frequent appearances in his writing). It’s just snobs who persist in the belief that a non-university or non-aristocratic person could not have had such talent whilst the rest of us now realise that class or education are not what makes genius. Once you accept that, there are still intriguing possibilities, Shakespeare’s proximity to a hive of catholicism (including in his own family) being one. Does his humanity and understanding of the human condition come from a knowledge of persecution? |
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| re: Waugh descendant picks Oxford as Bard | |
| Posted by: davei2000 04:18 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Waugh descendant picks Oxford as Bard - ukpaul 03:34 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
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| It always saddens me to be reminded that people like Derek Jacobi and Mark Rylance fall for that shite. | |
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| Yeah | |
| Posted by: Whistler 03:43 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Waugh descendant picks Oxford as Bard - ukpaul 03:34 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
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| Yeah, the Catholic connection is fascinating, and the war between the Elizabethan/Jacobean Catholics and Protestants is something that never quite got explained in American high schools, or even colleges. Who knew the Pope had given implicit permission to assassinate Elizabeth, and that's one reason Catholics in England were fiercely persecuted, and the defeat of the Spanish Armada -- representing a Catholic country -- was so important. And all this touched Shakespeare because he was raised in an often secretly Catholic family. Religion might be what ended his father's career. | |
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| Posted by: showtunetrivia 05:10 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
| In reply to: Yeah - Whistler 03:43 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
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| Okay--shameless plug here, but the topic invited it. :) Some years back, my better half, Harry Turtledove, did an alternate history novel called RULED BRITANNIA, set in a world in which the Spanish Armada succeeded. Will is placed in the difficult position of helping the secret English rebellion (by writing a play to inspire the masses) the same time the Spanish court has requested he compose a play in homage to Philip II. The other viewpoint character is Spanish playwright Lope de Vega--who admires Will and English theatre, but is nonetheless true to his own country. So we get a nice clash of politics, religion, espionage, and lots of theatre. Harry's not allowed to a favorite of the 100-plus books he's written, but this is my fave of his work. And yes, Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare. Laura |
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| re: Yeah/ But he's ONLY an actor-he couldn't be intelligent! | |
| Posted by: bmc 08:01 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Yeah - showtunetrivia 05:10 pm EDT 10/31/17 | |
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| I often think that some of this 'Shakespeare isn't Shakespeare' is just academic snobbery(Shakespeare didn't have tenure, you know); I AM very surprised that Alexander Waugh is peddling this......... If you like the Waugh oeuvre Alexander Waugh(son of Auberon, grandson of Evelyn) wrote an beautiful book FATHERS and SONS(the autobiography of a Family).'''''''''I collect copies oh EW's novels , books about him, (and the Mitford Girls) and if you have like taste--I recently learned that Alexander Waugh will be co-editor of an Oxford university Press, Complete works of Waugh, 44 volumes, priced in the 85-150$ range. I'm saving already........ I greeted this news(about the Waugh project) with the same excitement as if I'd won a contest and the prize was Steve Sondheim and Bernadette Peters coming to my house to cook dinner for me,Gavin Creel and Audra MacDonald That's how excited I am about the Waugh project. .............: but the "HE didn't write his plays" is strictly one for the Bunko squad...............On the back of one of BEN BAGLEY'S album, He summed it up thus, "Literary Scholars have discovered that Shakespeare's plays were NOT written by Shakespeare, but , fortunately for theatergoers. the plays were written by someone just as good. | |
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