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| Hello Dolly PRICING--WTF, it just changes in the wind | |
| Posted by: NJGUY 11:39 am EST 12/22/17 | |
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| Last week, I encouraged an out of town family member to see HD and they scored a pair of tickets for Saturday December 23rd at 8pm at a cost of $450 each (there seemed to be a supply of maybe 30 seats in the orchestra-so unsure of how they would fare and what the demand would be). Today, just seeing how that performance is selling, there are maybe 60-70 seats in the orchestra and the seating equivalent that my family member got is now $229. Maybe there is a lesson in there to wait or has the demand gone down that much. I paid $189 when they went on sale 15 months ago, so $229 is not crazy. What goes? Any thoughts? | |
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| Lots of Tix for this Weekend | |
| Posted by: caps17 03:59 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
| In reply to: Hello Dolly PRICING--WTF, it just changes in the wind - NJGUY 11:39 am EST 12/22/17 | |
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| If you've put off seeing the show, there are (or were when I checked recently) lots of regularly priced tickets for this weekend in good locations. Regularly priced = $229. I've never seen this many tickets at that price. | |
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| re: Lots of Tix for this Weekend | |
| Last Edit: ItJustDontWork 10:56 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
| Posted by: ItJustDontWork 10:56 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
| In reply to: Lots of Tix for this Weekend - caps17 03:59 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
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| Thank you for the heads up! I just got tickets for my boyfriend and me to see Bette on the evening of the 26th - front row center mezz! We've seen the show seven times with Donna Murphy and this is going to be a wonderful surprise for holidays! | |
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| re: Christmas Eve | |
| Posted by: SQ 09:45 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
| In reply to: Lots of Tix for this Weekend - caps17 03:59 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
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| I re-read the Telecharge website. Bette Midler is scheduled to perform? I don't want to spend the $45 train ticket in from NJ to find out otherwise. Thanks. |
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| re: Christmas Eve | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 12:10 am EST 12/23/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Christmas Eve - SQ 09:45 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
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| Yes. Donna did Tuesday eve this week. Tuesday mat 12/26, Sunday eve 1/7 and she's done. | |
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| re: Hello Dolly PRICING--WTF, it just changes in the wind | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 01:53 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
| In reply to: Hello Dolly PRICING--WTF, it just changes in the wind - NJGUY 11:39 am EST 12/22/17 | |
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| they scored a pair of tickets for Saturday December 23rd at 8pm at a cost of $450 each Gah! Is that really 'scoring'? -MBG, having never even hit $200/ticket threshold |
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| re: Hello Dolly PRICING--WTF, it just changes in the wind | |
| Posted by: ryhog 11:51 am EST 12/22/17 | |
| In reply to: Hello Dolly PRICING--WTF, it just changes in the wind - NJGUY 11:39 am EST 12/22/17 | |
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| it is dynamic pricing, and it can change both based on an algorithm and also on a producer's visceral assessment of which way the wind is blowing. As usual, there are no rules that we can state with any reasonable degree of authority. | |
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| re: Hello Dolly PRICING--there ARE rules | |
| Posted by: dreamawakening 03:19 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Hello Dolly PRICING--WTF, it just changes in the wind - ryhog 11:51 am EST 12/22/17 | |
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| The rules are simple and there is no algorithm – Greedy producers raise prices until people stop paying. Then they lower prices. |
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| Id rather have producers, actors and creative team get the money than scalpers | |
| Posted by: dramedy 04:03 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Hello Dolly PRICING--there ARE rules - dreamawakening 03:19 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
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| Do you really blame producers for charging prices that people are willing to pay scalpers. i feel scalpers are scum buying up lots of tickets so that others have to pay high prices or premium. and tbeir profits dont go to invest in new shows, but invest in buying more tickets to sell. They contribute nothing so society. | |
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| Greedy producers? | |
| Posted by: broadwaybacker 03:50 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Hello Dolly PRICING--there ARE rules - dreamawakening 03:19 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
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| I really wonder if we tend to use the expression ''greedy producers" a bit too often and unfairly as well. Who selling anything doesn't raise prices when demand is high and lower them when demand is low, and as I mentioned above, you can really see this at play if you are booking a reservation for a flight. Is Apple "greedy" when it sets a price of $1000 for their latest iPhone? People will either buy it at that price or the price will come down. But in addition, don't producers owe it to their investors to maximize profits? Isn't that their fiduciary obligation? Most if not all shows are capitalized at least in part by investors who come on board with a producer or sub producer and risk 100% of their investment every time they invest in a show. (And as we all know, most of the time those investors lose some, most or all of their investment.) And by the way, I doubt very much that producers sit around making hour by hour decisions about ticket prices, so yes, I'm pretty sure there's some sort of algorithm as mentioned by rhyhog. |
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| re: Greedy producers? | |
| Posted by: den 07:46 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
| In reply to: Greedy producers? - broadwaybacker 03:50 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
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| Yes, I think 'greedy producers' is accurate. When I go to a restaurant, the prices printed on the menu are the prices everyone pays. If steak is popular one night and sea bass is popular another, the prices aren't adjusted (at least not in the short term) for supply and demand. Either a seat is worth $150 or it's worth $300 ... rather like a piece of fish. | |
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| re: Greedy producers? | |
| Posted by: broadwaybacker 08:05 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Greedy producers? - den 07:46 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
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| There are just so many reasons why this is a bad analogy. You can probably figure them out yourself. But in short, certain things lend themselves to dynamic pricing (for many reasons) and other things don't. | |
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| re: Greedy producers? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 12:15 am EST 12/23/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Greedy producers? - broadwaybacker 08:05 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
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| also, the foundation of the analogy is wrong. Food prices vary constantly and are reflected in restaurant prices. (Some, especially high end, menu items are marked "M.P." or the like; others are just marked way up to cover the costs and more. For instance, the cost of a $12 omelette rarely reaches $1, so fluctuations in the price of its contents don't require adjustments. This also makes a more important point which is that there is no correlation between cost and price for the overwhelming majority of things we spend money on: it's demand. When a restaurant goes from 2 Michelin stars to 3, the prices go up. Yet if they have a slow night (Super Bowl Sunday, e.g.) you may find a "special" on FB or somewhere. Theatre tickets do no correlate to costs, only to demand. Whether the rack rate varies or discounts are offered, it is still all about not letting seats go empty (as on a plane) and that's the same as not letting food rot because it demand was low and no effort was made to adjust it. |
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| re: Greedy producers? | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 07:55 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Greedy producers? - den 07:46 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
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| When I go to a restaurant, the prices printed on the menu are the prices everyone pays. And yet, higher-end restaurants often have 'seasonal' printed in the menu for some dishes. |
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| Just like the cost of airline tickets | |
| Posted by: broadwaybacker 12:30 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Hello Dolly PRICING--WTF, it just changes in the wind - ryhog 11:51 am EST 12/22/17 | |
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| Exactly, it's dynamic pricing. Fares between cities on the same airline often change drastically within a period of only a day, and occasionally within a period of hours. It's all a function of today's technology and what current facts predict about future behavior. | |
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| Which is fine, but airlines... | |
| Posted by: MistressAndy 07:08 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
| In reply to: Just like the cost of airline tickets - broadwaybacker 12:30 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
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| When I've been the victim of dynamic pricing on an airline and the same ticket drops in price within a 24 hour period, I call the airline and they refund me the difference. I am still angry about Frozen and am tempted to sell my tickets because I bough a ticket and five minutes later the tickets were $40 cheaper. |
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| re: Just like the cost of airline tickets | |
| Posted by: mikem 01:34 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
| In reply to: Just like the cost of airline tickets - broadwaybacker 12:30 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
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| I wonder if this is a sign that Midler's run is just the right length. It seems that the frenzy to get tickets for the show has died down, although she's going out with it still being a fairly tough ticket. | |
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| re: Hello Dolly PRICING--WTF, it just changes in the wind | |
| Posted by: Jax 11:51 am EST 12/22/17 | |
| In reply to: Hello Dolly PRICING--WTF, it just changes in the wind - NJGUY 11:39 am EST 12/22/17 | |
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| Their boxoffice is no different than Macy's; always try to bargain. When the show was in previews I asked if they had a single. The box office guy said yes they did for that night (it was four p.m. when I asked) and it was center orchestra. I said great, how much. $300 he replied. My face fell and I put away my credit card. Too much I said. Okay, he said, quickly, let's make it $189. At the performance that night I asked the man I sat next to if he had gotten his ticket today. Oh yes, he said, I was very lucky to get this single this morning. May I ask what you paid? I said. $300 he said. Can you smile silently? That's what I did. |
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| He broke the pair | |
| Posted by: dramedy 02:12 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Hello Dolly PRICING--WTF, it just changes in the wind - Jax 11:51 am EST 12/22/17 | |
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| I highly doubt that he could have gotten the seat for less than 300. When you showed up, the boxoffice had a tough single to sell so they could make a deal. However, at dear evan hansen, i went to the boxoffice around 2pm and they offered s single for 450. When i said too much, they wouldnt drop it. I walked away and the ticket didnt sell until i bought it fot 199 at 630. So not all boxoffices even work the same. I actually never asked what people pay around me. Its really none of my business and i cant keep a poker fsce if i psid more or less and i don't know their circumstances-out of town must see and willing to pay premium vs local thst can go anytime when discounted. But i have been known to pick up a ticket on the floor to check prices. |
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| It totally depends. At Evita... | |
| Posted by: MistressAndy 07:05 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
| In reply to: He broke the pair - dramedy 02:12 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
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| My friend and I walked in to try and see Evita, it WAS 8 PM. And we said, "Quick, is there anything for tonight??" And they said, "Yes we have this pair, they're premium, $250 (or whatever premium was at the time) each." And we said, "Oh, no! We really can't pay premium, is there anything you can do?" We were as nice as we could possibly be about it. Box office person said no. We said, "So the producers would rather have no money than sell the ticket for regular price?" And he said, "Sorry." So we left. And never bothered trying to see Evita again. The tickets went unsold, because we actually waited to see if someone walked in after us. |
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| And it was probably at tkts. | |
| Posted by: dramedy 07:17 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
| In reply to: It totally depends. At Evita... - MistressAndy 07:05 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
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| I dont think thst show sold out very often | |
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| re: He broke the pair | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 03:57 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
| In reply to: He broke the pair - dramedy 02:12 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
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| "When you showed up, the boxoffice had a tough single to sell so they could make a deal." I don't doubt you for a moment, but I had no idea that box office personnel have so much control as to be able to immediately lower the price of a ticket considerably at their own discretion. What's the actual mechanism of that? I guess they're able to just change the price of the ticket in the computer and then sell it at the lower price? For the sake of argument, could they also immediately raise rather than lower the price of a ticket if they felt they should do that for some reason? |
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| re: He broke the pair | |
| Last Edit: BroadwayTonyJ 10:38 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 10:37 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
| In reply to: re: He broke the pair - Michael_Portantiere 03:57 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
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| When you showed up, the boxoffice had a tough single to sell so they could make a deal. It depends on the show, the particular theater, the right boxoffice person, the right time of day, and undoubtedly other factors that I probably haven't figured out yet, but it's definitely doable. You need cajones and you have to realize that you'll be shot down (sometimes politely, sometimes not so politely) at least 75% of the time. Nevertheless, if you know how to do it and you're after a single, you can on occasion get a good seat for a really cheap price. I suspect that the reverse is also true if the person buying the ticket has no clue as to how the system works. I'm pretty sure that I was rooked a few times years ago when I was a novice at seeing Broadway shows. |
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| For grinch at lyric | |
| Posted by: dramedy 04:07 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
| In reply to: re: He broke the pair - Michael_Portantiere 03:57 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
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| There wasnt any dicounts for weekend performances. But there was a sat 5pm, so i was going to pay full just before curtain amd the boxoffice person sold it to me at a discount price. It was a single. | |
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| re: For grinch at lyric | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 10:46 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
| In reply to: For grinch at lyric - dramedy 04:07 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
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| Just curious. Did you say that you were looking for a deal or did the boxoffice person offer you the discount on his own? | |
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| re: Hello Dolly PRICING--WTF, it just changes in the wind | |
| Posted by: NJGUY 12:00 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Hello Dolly PRICING--WTF, it just changes in the wind - Jax 11:51 am EST 12/22/17 | |
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| I also think that RIGHT before X-Mas is a great time to score great seats for HOT shows. My friend tried to get Hamilton tix and it was only when he looked at December 24th 2017 (X-Mas Eve) that he found his bounty! Something to think about. There was time in the 1970's before theater schedules were changed to accommodate the holiday calendar that you could see ANYTHING on X-Mas eve. Had first hand experience doing so! Oh well, another time. | |
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| re: Hello Dolly PRICING--WTF, it just changes in the wind | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 12:04 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Hello Dolly PRICING--WTF, it just changes in the wind - NJGUY 12:00 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
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| 2016, maybe? Otherwise, tell him to check his tickets. Only two Broadway shows (JUNK and OOTI) are performing Sunday. Strangely, almost half are performing Monday, Christmas Day. Most of the ones that normally have a Monday evening show, and a handful that don't. |
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| Meant 2016 | |
| Posted by: NJGUY 05:26 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Hello Dolly PRICING--WTF, it just changes in the wind - sirpupnyc 12:04 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
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| Thanks. | |
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| re: Hello Dolly PRICING--WTF, it just changes in the wind | |
| Posted by: twocents 12:12 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
| In reply to: re: Hello Dolly PRICING--WTF, it just changes in the wind - sirpupnyc 12:04 pm EST 12/22/17 | |
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| Junk will have an "intimate" house. | |
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