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| Love Never Dies Tune | |
| Posted by: jtong43 12:04 pm EST 01/06/18 | |
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| Saw Love Never Dies in Detroit and was not a fan. The theme song is the 'big number'. Belting tune that is supposed to bring down the house. Today I listened to The Beautiful Game and realized he had already used the very same tune there . Is this normal? I can see it if the song was written for a show and not used. But use the tune in two different shows? | |
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| re: Love Never Dies Tune | |
| Posted by: fidelio1010 06:57 pm EST 01/07/18 | |
| In reply to: Love Never Dies Tune - jtong43 12:04 pm EST 01/06/18 | |
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| Rossini did it all the time! | |
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| re:Belting tune?.... | |
| Posted by: bway1430 04:53 pm EST 01/07/18 | |
| In reply to: Love Never Dies Tune - jtong43 12:04 pm EST 01/06/18 | |
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| Not sure what show you claim to have seen but the role of Christine and her 'big number' is sung aria style as in high soprano voice. Not a belt by any stretch. |
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| re: re:Belting tune?.... | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 06:30 pm EST 01/07/18 | |
| In reply to: re:Belting tune?.... - bway1430 04:53 pm EST 01/07/18 | |
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| It's a belting number in THE BEAUTIFUL GAME. | |
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| re: re:Belting tune?.... | |
| Posted by: bway1430 03:13 am EST 01/08/18 | |
| In reply to: re: re:Belting tune?.... - KingSpeed 06:30 pm EST 01/07/18 | |
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| The one ALW show I have yet to see....hoping it will resurface somewhere, somehow....The Boys In The Photograph is it's newest title, I believe. | |
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| re: Love Never Dies Tune | |
| Posted by: MTMan 07:10 pm EST 01/06/18 | |
| In reply to: Love Never Dies Tune - jtong43 12:04 pm EST 01/06/18 | |
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| It also shows a remarkable resemblance to the title tune of the Oscar-winning film, "The Apartment", with Jack Lemmon and Shirley MacLaine. Pretty much the first four bars are copied entirely, and switched to a waltz. Others mention that supposedly there's a Puccini reference in there, too, but that doesn't seem nearly as prominent as this "borrowing". The piano team Ferrente and Teicher had a hit with it in the early 60's. | |
| Link | Theme from "The Apartment" |
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| re: Love Never Dies Tune | |
| Posted by: Snowysdad 06:02 pm EST 01/06/18 | |
| In reply to: Love Never Dies Tune - jtong43 12:04 pm EST 01/06/18 | |
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| Saw it in Tampa a few weeks before you did, also not terribly impressed. Here is a link to my review, maybe you will agree with my specific points as to why it does not stand up well next to Phantom of the Opera. | |
| Link | https://www.talkinbroadway.com/page/regional/wfla/wfla334.html |
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| re: Love Never Dies Tune | |
| Last Edit: mattyp4 12:32 pm EST 01/06/18 | |
| Posted by: mattyp4 12:30 pm EST 01/06/18 | |
| In reply to: Love Never Dies Tune - jtong43 12:04 pm EST 01/06/18 | |
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| I don't know if it's "normal" or not but the Love Never Dies version is actually the third incarnation of that song. It debuted as a song called "The Heart Is Slow To Learn" sometime in the late 90's. It was intended to be for a Phantom of the Opera sequel that never materialized. The song was performed live though at a Royal Albert Hall concert celebrating ALW's music. (Link is below.) The second version is "Our Kind of Love" from The Beautiful Game. Oddly enough this was the first (and for the longest time, the only) ALW show I ever saw. I knew some of the music from his other hit shows but this was the first one I saw on stage. I always thought the score was underrated & felt that "Our Kind of Love" was one of his best songs. I guess ALW felt that way too... Because it surfaced again as the title song to "Love Never Dies." Wikipedia even says the melody is borrowed from a Puccini aria. So... yeah. I'm not sure if it's "normal" or not but it's well documented. It's not like ALW was trying to hide it or anything. And I think he has a history of doing this kind of thing with other songs as well. |
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| Link | "The Heart Is Slow To Learn" performance |
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| re: Love Never Dies Tune | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 04:39 pm EST 01/08/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Love Never Dies Tune - mattyp4 12:30 pm EST 01/06/18 | |
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| "Wikipedia even says the melody is borrowed from a Puccini aria. So... yeah. I'm not sure if it's 'normal' or not but it's well documented. It's not like ALW was trying to hide it or anything. And I think he has a history of doing this kind of thing with other songs as well. " What part of it do you think ALW wasn't trying to hide? That he used the same melody in more than one of his shows, or that the melody sounds like one that originally written by someone else for another work? For what it's worth, although the main melody in question here is certainly very Puccini-esque, I don't recognize it as a specific Puccini melody, but I do hear the strong similarity to the "Theme from THE APARTMENT." |
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| re: Love Never Dies Tune | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 06:28 pm EST 01/07/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Love Never Dies Tune - mattyp4 12:30 pm EST 01/06/18 | |
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| I've never cried that much at a musical before or since THE BEAUTIFUL GAME. | |
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| re: Love Never Dies Tune | |
| Last Edit: AlexanderKat 12:39 pm EST 01/06/18 | |
| Posted by: AlexanderKat 12:29 pm EST 01/06/18 | |
| In reply to: Love Never Dies Tune - jtong43 12:04 pm EST 01/06/18 | |
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| FADE OUT FADE IN: "Call Me Savage" HALLELEUJAH BABY : "Witch's Brew" Then there's: RUGGLES OF RED GAP: "I'm In Pursuit of Happiness" GYPSY: "You'll Never Get Away From Me" All by Jule Styne. Same melody different lyrics. |
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| re: Love Never Dies Tune | |
| Posted by: kdogg36 12:14 pm EST 01/07/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Love Never Dies Tune - AlexanderKat 12:29 pm EST 01/06/18 | |
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| Another ALW example: the melody of "English Girls" from SONG AND DANCE was recycled as "Tire Tracks and Broken Hearts" from WHISTLE DOWN THE WIND. | |
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| re: Love Never Dies Tune | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 06:26 pm EST 01/07/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Love Never Dies Tune - kdogg36 12:14 pm EST 01/07/18 | |
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| I always thought "Tire Tracks.." was written by Jim Steinman. | |
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