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| re: Alex Newell in OOTI...curious, yet sensitive questions | |
| Posted by: carolinaguy 10:59 am EST 01/09/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Alex Newell in OOTI...curious, yet sensitive questions - mikem 10:10 am EST 01/09/18 | |
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| I've often wondered about this. There is no difference between male acting and female acting. We certainly don't separate other categories, such as direction and writing, by gender. (Though doing so would certainly point up the inequality in opportunities in those areas for women in a definitive way.) Playing this out is kind of a fun mental exercise. We could double the number of nominees in an acting category and not divide by gender, but imagine the outcry if males happened to win several years in a row. It makes for an interesting discussion on past races--would Bette Midler or Ben Platt have won? Emma Stone or Casey Affleck? Len Cariou or Angela Lansbury? James Gandolfini or Edie Falco? And so forth. | |
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| re: Alex Newell in OOTI...curious, yet sensitive questions | |
| Posted by: ntjvy 12:21 pm EST 01/09/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Alex Newell in OOTI...curious, yet sensitive questions - carolinaguy 10:59 am EST 01/09/18 | |
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| I've often thought that the categorization was necessary because of the difference in the types of roles available to men and women. Although I think we're making progress, there's still a ways to go and until female roles are written with as much depth for actors to dig into as male roles are, eliminating categories could be tricky business. I do see the trick this presents in forcing nominees to define themselves in binary terms, however. |
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| re: Alex Newell in OOTI...curious, yet sensitive questions | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 01:39 pm EST 01/09/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Alex Newell in OOTI...curious, yet sensitive questions - ntjvy 12:21 pm EST 01/09/18 | |
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| "There's still a ways to go and until female roles are written with as much depth for actors to dig into as male roles are." Do you honestly feel that, generally speaking, female roles are not (and have not been) written with as much depth as male roles? I've occasionally heard other people express this opinion, but I imagine there must be a huge amount of disagreement on this point. At any rate, the question of how gender is going to be handled in awards presentations in the future is a fascinating one. Probably the easiest solution, as others have mentioned, would be to simply halve the number of awards given out in the categories that were previously separated according to the male or female genders. But I don't think that's ever gonna happen, and if it did, it would have its own potential problems and controversies. |
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| re: Alex Newell in OOTI...curious, yet sensitive questions | |
| Posted by: ntjvy 02:03 pm EST 01/09/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Alex Newell in OOTI...curious, yet sensitive questions - Michael_Portantiere 01:39 pm EST 01/09/18 | |
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| Yes. I do honestly think that, it’s why I said it. There are of course solid roles written for female characters, but I think that generally speaking we still see far more meaty roles for men in both theater and film. More so in film, but still I think it’s an issue for us too. | |
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| re: Alex Newell in OOTI...curious, yet sensitive questions | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 03:27 pm EST 01/09/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Alex Newell in OOTI...curious, yet sensitive questions - ntjvy 02:03 pm EST 01/09/18 | |
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| "Yes. I do honestly think that, it’s why I said it. There are of course solid roles written for female characters, but I think that generally speaking we still see far more meaty roles for men in both theater and film. More so in film, but still I think it’s an issue for us too." Thanks for clarifying. For what it's worth, I strongly disagree. There are SO MANY great women's roles in all genres of theater, dating back hundreds of years, that it never entered my mind to think there was any gender imbalance worth mentioning in terms of the quality or "meatiness" or male vs. female roles. By the way, would you say this is even true of the American musical theater, from the beginning to the present? If yes, again, I just don't see it. |
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| re: Alex Newell in OOTI...curious, yet sensitive questions | |
| Posted by: EvFoDr 02:12 pm EST 01/09/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Alex Newell in OOTI...curious, yet sensitive questions - ntjvy 02:03 pm EST 01/09/18 | |
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| Strictly in terms of musical theatre, I think women certainly rule the day. | |
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