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| Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... | |
| Posted by: flaguy 11:17 am EST 01/10/18 | |
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| I ran across a posting yesterday on FaceBook that made the following claim, and I'm guessing it's true? "Sutton Foster is now the exact age Carol Channing was when she first starred in HELLO, DOLLY! Nowadays, they’d never cast someone in their early forties as Dolly. 70 is the new 43." |
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| re: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... | |
| Posted by: NewsGuy 09:20 pm EST 01/10/18 | |
| In reply to: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... - flaguy 11:17 am EST 01/10/18 | |
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| For something completely out of left field - can Leslie Jones sing? | |
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| I think 3 month runs would be better | |
| Posted by: dramedy 04:58 pm EST 01/10/18 | |
| In reply to: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... - flaguy 11:17 am EST 01/10/18 | |
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| Peters at 6 months seem long for replacement cast. Chicago has done very well with short period stars. | |
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| re: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 04:37 pm EST 01/10/18 | |
| In reply to: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... - flaguy 11:17 am EST 01/10/18 | |
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| I'd still like to see Kristin C do it first | |
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| re: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 10:58 pm EST 01/10/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... - KingSpeed 04:37 pm EST 01/10/18 | |
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| Kristin C would be a perfect Minnie Fay. But I doubt she would sign on to such a supporting role at this point in her career. (She'd also make a very funny Ernestina, but same issue.) I do not in any way see her as Dolly. |
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| re: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... | |
| Last Edit: KingSpeed 02:13 am EST 01/11/18 | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 02:11 am EST 01/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... - Chromolume 10:58 pm EST 01/10/18 | |
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| Um Kristin would've made a good Minnie Fay 20 years ago. Not now. That's like when people said Pierce should've been playing Cornelius instead of Horace! Kristin would be a perfect Dolly now. Can act, sing, do comedy, and like Channing and other past Dollys, she is unique. There's no one else like her. | |
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| re: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 02:40 am EST 01/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... - KingSpeed 02:11 am EST 01/11/18 | |
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| It has nothing to do with Pierce playing Cornelius (???), even when he would have been the right age to do so. I think Chenoweth, even with the talents she has, would be a terrible idea for Dolly. She would be, even now, with her helium squeak of a speaking voice, perfect for Minnie Fay. | |
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| re: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 02:22 pm EST 01/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... - Chromolume 02:40 am EST 01/11/18 | |
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| Not just regarding Chenoweth, but it's interesting to me when I hear people say that this or that actress wouldn't be right for Dolly, because the role has been played by such a wide range of actresses over the years. It seems like every person who plays it brings something of their own to the role and I don't see any reason why Chenoweth (or anyone else) wouldn't do the same. | |
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| re: Kristin Chenoweth as Minnie | |
| Last Edit: SidL 05:50 am EST 01/11/18 | |
| Posted by: SidL 05:20 am EST 01/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... - Chromolume 02:40 am EST 01/11/18 | |
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| Wonder if there are any plans for a made-for-television (not LIVE) re-make of HELLO,DOLLY! once the Broadway (national tour) ends. Bet Ms. Chenoweth would not mind playing a supporting role opposite the Divine Miss M. on CBS They could have Carol Channing introduce the program, the way Danny Kaye did for the annual broadcast of "The Wizard of Oz" also on CBS back in the sixties. |
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| WHOA. (plus a question on Ms. Channing's voice) | |
| Posted by: GrumpyMorningBoy 12:37 pm EST 01/10/18 | |
| In reply to: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... - flaguy 11:17 am EST 01/10/18 | |
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| I guess I never did the math. I should have. I had no idea Channing was so young. How did she sound like she'd been smoking five packs a day for thirty years?? I just did a little googling; there's some hubbub here and there that she'd had a 'throat injury' as a child that affected her voice. Anyone know the real story there? Meanwhile, I think Sutton Foster could be positively winning Dolly. Although she 'reads' as younger -- as made evident on her hit TV show -- I do think she'd keep the show playing into a longer run. A win for all concerned, if you ask me. - GMB |
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| Foster will look about 35 in the role. If that. | |
| Last Edit: Delvino 08:17 pm EST 01/10/18 | |
| Posted by: Delvino 08:15 pm EST 01/10/18 | |
| In reply to: WHOA. (plus a question on Ms. Channing's voice) - GrumpyMorningBoy 12:37 pm EST 01/10/18 | |
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| I'm sorry, but I find this rather odd. We have enough ageism in the industry as a whole. Most older actresses have difficult finding decent roles. Dolly can be played by anyone, reading 50 - 70 something. Why give this part to a woman who could read younger than Irene? She's now playing a character on TV who passes for a woman in her 20s. On stage, Foster will look up to Irene as the older adult in the room. Dolly is endearing because she's gorgeous and a catch but -- by the standards of her day -- (almost) run out of options. If she's 43 in 2018's casting, reading 35, we've succumbed to more ageism, the pernicious other side of the equation: viewing "older" once again as a woman over 35. The great thing about Peter is she's precisely the right age, and appears as sexy as she always did. It makes her winning a new spouse beautiful and moving. Because she's to vital and viable. I don't want a young Dolly. |
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| re: Foster will look about 35 in the role. If that. | |
| Posted by: Cabfan 11:37 am EST 01/11/18 | |
| In reply to: Foster will look about 35 in the role. If that. - Delvino 08:15 pm EST 01/10/18 | |
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| "I don't want a young Dolly." Are you thinking that younger women cannot adequately portray widows? The history of the era (or should that be herstory) says that women were of three ages: youth, married, widowed. Mrs. Levy and Mrs. Malloy were of the same age -- both widows -- no matter what their chronological ages. As background, read Pride and Prejudice for married women outranking older single women, and Gone with the Wind for a young widow being frowned on for wanting to "get some fun back into my life." Even today in some countries, widows are socially prescribed to wear certain clothing and to act... well... widowly. I rank the requirements of a good Dolly as: (1) able to find the comedy, (2) able to find the pathos, and (3) singing. If the first two are there, the singing is not as important. Almost all Dolly's songs start with her and then have the chorus come in to give the song a rousing finish. I know a woman from a South Asian country who was thrilled when her parents started arranging a marriage for her. As a single woman, she was not allowed to go many places, and when she did get to go she had to be accompanied by her father or brother. She looked at marriage as "freedom". Yet widows in that country rarely remarry, and are expected to wear specific dress. Speaking of South Asia, I've always wanted to see a Hello Dolly production cast entirely with South Asians. It sort of fits with Dolly as a marriage broker (arranged marriages), South Asian traditions for widows, and the big chorus numbers would look great with saris and Punjabis! |
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| re: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... | |
| Posted by: jurinac 11:48 am EST 01/10/18 | |
| In reply to: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... - flaguy 11:17 am EST 01/10/18 | |
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| Foster will indeed turn 43 this year, and Channing was a week or two shy of her 43rd birthday when DOLLY first opened on Broadway. So those facts are indeed true. I'd argue that Channing's career arc has encouraged the notion that this is a role for an older actress, since she starred in the show's only two previous Broadway revivals, when she was 57 and 74 (respectively). (Perhaps she made it her mission to balance out Streisand's having been cast in the movie when she was a few years shy of 30?) I think Foster would be terrific in the part and would welcome the (unlikely) opportunity to see her do it now. Maybe she'll do it around 50? If/whenever she does, I hope she gets to do "Just Leave Everything to Me" instead of "I Put My Hand In." |
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| re: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... | |
| Posted by: theaterdude 02:02 pm EST 01/10/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... - jurinac 11:48 am EST 01/10/18 | |
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| Except you need a BIG name to take on Dolly. No one knows who Sutton Foster is except theater people. (yes she's on a TV show but it's not a big enough hit where tourists would recognize her). | |
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| Posted by: gcarl44 07:03 pm EST 01/13/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... - theaterdude 02:02 pm EST 01/10/18 | |
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| IMHO, Foster is as big a name as Peters for a Broadway show. I just don't see her as the character. | |
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| re: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... | |
| Posted by: MistressAndy 02:45 pm EST 01/10/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... - theaterdude 02:02 pm EST 01/10/18 | |
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| I think you're underestimating Foster, who is currently on a TV show that's a HUGE hit for TV Land. Of course the premise of that show is that she's an older woman who is passing for a 26 year old so it's odd to suggest Foster. Reminds me of a Streisand situation. Though admitted I LOVE Streisand in the film so I'd be really interested in seeing Foster do it. (Not that I imagine she ever would). |
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| re: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... | |
| Posted by: scoot1er 04:41 pm EST 01/10/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... - MistressAndy 02:45 pm EST 01/10/18 | |
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| I know I shall get criticized for this: I am not a fan of Sutton Foster. For me, as talented as she is, she lacks what I think is essential for Dolly: warmth. She is a cold performer and is not likeable on stage — for me at least. I always feel as though I am watching a robot whenever I see her. I know this is an unpopular opinion as she is greatly loved by people on this board, but that is how I feel. | |
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| re: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... | |
| Posted by: EvFoDr 05:08 pm EST 01/10/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... - scoot1er 04:41 pm EST 01/10/18 | |
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| I generally like her but can also recognize what you mean, at least the cool robotic part. I do, on the other hand, find her likable. I think some/much can be attributed to the roles. Millie, Janet, Reno--period pieces with a certain style, not deeply emotional pieces. Unfortunately I cannot remember a thing about Little Women or Shrek, shows I didn't care for. I also think she's very funny. I wonder what people thought of her as Eponine. I didn't see her do it. | |
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| When did Sutton Foster play Janet Reno? (NM) | |
| Posted by: Seth Christenfeld (tabula-rasa@verizon.net) 06:07 pm EST 01/10/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... - EvFoDr 05:08 pm EST 01/10/18 | |
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| Seth, well aware | |
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| Posted by: donnyboy 01:49 pm EST 01/10/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... - jurinac 11:48 am EST 01/10/18 | |
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| In London, Samantha Spiro won the 2010 Best Actress in a Musical Olivier Award for playing Dolly. She was 42 at the time. | |
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| Posted by: BruceinIthaca 02:28 pm EST 01/10/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... - donnyboy 01:49 pm EST 01/10/18 | |
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| I also think to have a Dolly who appears as youthful as Foster does, you would need also to cast a younger Irene (and possibly Cornelius) than Kate Baldwin. I thought Baldwin was absolutely wonderful in the production, but she does read mid- to late 30s (and she is, according to her IBDB page in her early 40s). Eileen Brennan, who always read a little older than her actual age back then, was 32 to Channing's 43. I did not see that production (though wish I had as I love 'em both--saw Channing do Dolly in 94 to Florence Lacey's matronly, but beautifully sung Irene). I think some age difference between Dolly and Irene is important to the dynamics of the plot. Otherwise, Dolly "styling" for a codger like Horace feels off--as it did with Streisand, though they did their best with costuming, etc. to suggest some | |
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| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 03:48 pm EST 01/10/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Sutton Foster as 'DOLLY'? ... - BruceinIthaca 02:28 pm EST 01/10/18 | |
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| Streisand notwithstanding, I really don't think HELLO, DOLLY! works if the title role is played by someone who looks younger than 40, at minimum -- for all of the reasons so many people felt that Streisand was wildly miscast in terms of age. Of course, I realize it's largely a matter of opinion as to how old someone looks, and also it depends at least a bit on whether it's a stage production as opposed to film or TV. On the other hand, if a Dolly looks much older than 50 (regardless of her actual age), the story also doesn't work. She has to look old enough to worry about the parade passing her by, but not so old that it has already passed and that it seems odd for her to be trying to find a husband in the latter stage of her life -- keeping in mind that we're talking about the late 19th century, when people died at a much younger average age than they do now. |
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