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| Posted by: NewtonUK 01:47 pm EST 01/13/18 | |
| In reply to: re: ONCE ON THIS ISLAND was enough (spoilers, I guess) - dooey 11:02 am EST 01/13/18 | |
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| Not sure what was ridiculous about my comment. Whether the Hotel Beauxhommes was a Hotel in the US sense (and French), or an Hotel particulier (a large townhouse) or Hotel as estate of a wealthy family - the point is the same. In one sense, her sneaking into a private home, large estate or not, to take care of Daniel is even more ludicrous than if she snuck into a 5 star hotel and his hotel room. In the study guide for this production, and in all synopses i have found of this show, the refer constantly to the Ball at the hotel - which is generic hotel meaning what we think a hotel is. The musical is written in English for an American audience - I think if were rto expect 'hotel' to mean a family estate rather than a hotel, perhaps the writers would have clarified that. And they, indeed, might have - except my companion and I could barely make out 50% of the text as spoken and sung. But looking in the libretto - they talk about going to the 'hotel' on the other side of the island - and when Ti Moune arrives at the Gates? "At last, still wearing her painful new city shoes, Ti Moune arrived at the gates of the Hotel Beauxhomme. But the fierce guard at the gate saw that Ti Moune had nothing to sell to the tourists." Tourists. Because the Hotel Beauxhomme is a Hotel where tourists stay - even if it once was the family home. Next? |
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| re: ONCE ON THIS ISLAND was enough (spoilers, I guess) | |
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| Posted by: dooey 02:47 pm EST 01/13/18 | |
| In reply to: re: ONCE ON THIS ISLAND was enough (spoilers, I guess) - NewtonUK 01:47 pm EST 01/13/18 | |
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| re: ONCE ON THIS ISLAND was enough (spoilers, I guess) | |
| Posted by: dooey 02:46 pm EST 01/13/18 | |
| In reply to: re: ONCE ON THIS ISLAND was enough (spoilers, I guess) - NewtonUK 01:47 pm EST 01/13/18 | |
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| "So she hangs out in heat and cold and rain and whatever outside the gates of the 5 Star Hotel where light sklnned boy is staying (living? why is he still there?) - he comes out with his bride to be and tosses coins at the peasants. Ti Moun (pronounces Tee Moon) promptly dies." You seem to ridicule nearly everything about the show, even how "Ti Moun" [SIC] is pronounced. You even flippantly referred to it as a "5 Star Hotel." You seemed to be wondering why Daniel was "staying (living?)" there still, so I was just trying to let you know that your understanding of the term "hotel" is incorrect. I'm telling you, there is no Ritz Carlton in this story. Even the wedding is at the estate. And, yes, there would be tourists around the Beauxhommes' estate just as there would be tourists around any other large, gated estate of wealthy people akin to a royal family, especially if Daniel and Andrea are to make their first public appearance as a married couple. As for the authors explaining the meaning of a word...I had no issue with the use of the word "hotel." I just sort of figured it out because the characters use lots of French phrases and pronunciations. Plus, I trust that the authors probably know the material better than I do. Of course, it would not make sense for any of this to take place in a "5 Star Hotel," so for you to criticize points of the show based on misinformation seemed ridiculous to me. Could I have worded it in a nicer way? Yes. Sorry for that. Sorry, also that you had so many problems with the show. I adore ONCE ON THIS ISLAND and think it's a beautifully crafted piece of musical theater. |
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| re: ONCE ON THIS ISLAND was enough (spoilers, I guess) | |
| Posted by: NewtonUK 07:03 pm EST 01/13/18 | |
| In reply to: re: ONCE ON THIS ISLAND was enough (spoilers, I guess) - dooey 02:46 pm EST 01/13/18 | |
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| Hi = I still believe you are wrong about hotel - which would be capitalized if it was a great house. Why would the guardian of the gate send Ti Moun away because she had no souvenirs to sell, when she is trying to come in? If she had souvenirs she would be let in. If its a great estate, this doesn't make any sense. The Beaxhomme parents hate peasants in any variety. I stand by the text of the show. Its a hotel, like a hotel. There were - may still be - some beautiful hotels in Haiti. Actual hotels. Not French Hotels as in great family estates. |
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| re: ONCE ON THIS ISLAND was enough (spoilers, I guess) | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 11:57 am EST 01/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: ONCE ON THIS ISLAND was enough (spoilers, I guess) - NewtonUK 07:03 pm EST 01/13/18 | |
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| The name is Ti Moune. I think you're making a point of consistently spelling it wrong, and I don't know why. (It's also Beauxhomme, not Beaxhomme, but you haven't always missed that one, lol.) The story is presented as a folk tale, told to "one small girl." I think if you tried to over-analyze the majority of the world's folk/fairy tales, you'd hit the same kinds of problems, hotels or not. ;-) |
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| re: ONCE ON THIS ISLAND was enough (spoilers, I guess) | |
| Posted by: ryhog 01:21 pm EST 01/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: ONCE ON THIS ISLAND was enough (spoilers, I guess) - Chromolume 11:57 am EST 01/15/18 | |
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| this squabble about hotels underscores the universality of certain notions, the language notwithstanding. If this is one's takeaway from the show, one is interested in one's own putative cleverness and not what one would think a person has paid money to experience. "c'est l'arbre qui cache la forêt" |
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| re: ONCE ON THIS ISLAND was enough (spoilers, I guess) | |
| Posted by: NewtonUK 03:44 pm EST 01/16/18 | |
| In reply to: re: ONCE ON THIS ISLAND was enough (spoilers, I guess) - ryhog 01:21 pm EST 01/15/18 | |
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| Not really. The 'hotel' issue was an odd sidebar, as the text of the show is very clear in the sense of 'hotel' where one accomodates tourists. Just as when Rigoletto opens the bag and find the body of his dead daughter, the text and stage directions says this seen is done in moonlight - which in John Dexter's old Met production was done in Bright sunlight. Which made hash of the whole scene. Maybe rewrite the text first. And fairy tales/folk tales have great internal logic. Thats why the last 100s of years |
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| re: ONCE ON THIS ISLAND was enough (spoilers, I guess) | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 02:41 pm EST 01/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: ONCE ON THIS ISLAND was enough (spoilers, I guess) - ryhog 01:21 pm EST 01/15/18 | |
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| To reference a recent conversation out here, I suppose it's like going to Follies and, when asked what you thought, the first response is "who on earth ever uses the word 'avers'??" ;-) | |
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| re: ONCE ON THIS ISLAND was enough (spoilers, I guess) | |
| Posted by: ryhog 03:47 pm EST 01/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: ONCE ON THIS ISLAND was enough (spoilers, I guess) - Chromolume 02:41 pm EST 01/15/18 | |
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| to me this is worse. Of course "avers" is not a word to which I am averse. :-) | |
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| re: ONCE ON THIS ISLAND was enough (spoilers, I guess) | |
| Posted by: dooey 09:51 pm EST 01/13/18 | |
| In reply to: re: ONCE ON THIS ISLAND was enough (spoilers, I guess) - NewtonUK 07:03 pm EST 01/13/18 | |
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| It would only be capitalized if used as a proper noun--just like the word "school." Example: He attends Oak Street School. (Capitalized--proper noun) He attends the school on Oak Street. (Not capitalized, but it's the same building!) But if you maintain that the Beauxhommes live at a hotel a la Eloise and the late great Ms. Stritch, that's your prerogative. |
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| re: OK, Dooey - how about this, then ... | |
| Posted by: NewtonUK 09:09 am EST 01/14/18 | |
| In reply to: re: ONCE ON THIS ISLAND was enough (spoilers, I guess) - dooey 09:51 pm EST 01/13/18 | |
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| ... I know I get a lot of push back on ATC, especially when I shyly suggest that the answers to most questions are in the text. On page 5 of my online libretto of ONCE ON THIS ISLAND, Andrea sings as follows: On the other side of this island, safe behind high walls and iron gates, the grands hommes dance to a different tune. ALL (BUT ANDREA AND DANIEL) LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA DANIEL They drink champagne. Entertain tourists at their fine hotels. And tell their servants, “Polish up the Mercedes!” Hotels. Plural. Not mansions, Hotels. Tourists. |
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| re: OK, Dooey - how about this, then ... | |
| Posted by: dooey 10:43 pm EST 01/14/18 | |
| In reply to: re: OK, Dooey - how about this, then ... - NewtonUK 09:09 am EST 01/14/18 | |
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| Mon Dieu. This like arguing with a Trump supporter. It's a cultural difference, NewtonUK. But if you're determined to believe that the Beauxhommes were staying at the Hilton, be my guest. Again, sorry you didn't enjoy this wonderful show more. |
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| re: OK, Dooey - how about this, then ... | |
| Posted by: BruceinIthaca 07:05 pm EST 01/14/18 | |
| In reply to: re: OK, Dooey - how about this, then ... - NewtonUK 09:09 am EST 01/14/18 | |
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| I say it's spinach and I say the hell with it! (Apologies to Mr. Thurber.) | |
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| re: ONCE ON THIS ISLAND was enough (spoilers, I guess) | |
| Posted by: ryhog 04:00 pm EST 01/13/18 | |
| In reply to: re: ONCE ON THIS ISLAND was enough (spoilers, I guess) - dooey 02:46 pm EST 01/13/18 | |
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| Apropos of your frustration, I had a very similar dustup below regarding Farinelli. I don't think any of us are totally immune to this, but when we really don't like something, we can't resist ripping it apart willy nilly. even the parts that are not broken. | |
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