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| re: Broadway Grosses 2/4 — Box office fumbles by nerly 10% from prior week | |
| Last Edit: CCentero 10:49 pm EST 02/05/18 | |
| Posted by: CCentero 10:41 pm EST 02/05/18 | |
| In reply to: Broadway Grosses 2/4 — Box office fumbles by nerly 10% from prior week - jesse21 04:18 pm EST 02/05/18 | |
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| Great news once again for Claire Van Kampen's terrific new PLAY, "Farinelli and the King", which hasn't had any trouble attracting audiences from day one in New York despite the moronic vilification campaign waged on All That Chat. | |
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| re: Broadway Grosses 2/4 — Box office fumbles by nerly 10% from prior week | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 12:54 am EST 02/06/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Broadway Grosses 2/4 — Box office fumbles by nerly 10% from prior week - CCentero 10:41 pm EST 02/05/18 | |
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| Alternative reality. There was never a vilification campaign against the play on this site. That's something you made up and are now repeating as if it's true. | |
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| re: Broadway Grosses 2/4 — Box office fumbles by nerly 10% from prior week | |
| Last Edit: CCentero 12:42 pm EST 02/06/18 | |
| Posted by: CCentero 12:30 pm EST 02/06/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Broadway Grosses 2/4 — Box office fumbles by nerly 10% from prior week - Singapore/Fling 12:54 am EST 02/06/18 | |
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| Let me recap: even though you hadn’t seen the play in London, you declared that it wasn’t very good and would have trouble finding an audience in New York. From the first preview in New York, it’s had an audience in New York. It’s fine to dislike the play, but you’ve gone out of your way to say catty things about it, even when there’s just a notice about a casting change. You’ve compared it to a jukebox musical and insisted that it was barely a play in a thread that was only slightly shorter than the collected works of Leon Trotsky. And yes, I would rather have an icepick driven through my head than debate the issue with you. The only alternative reality is that your bosses think you're capable of identifying projects that the demonstrated theatre audience in New York will find extremely entertaining. Anyone who had seen the show in London would undoubtedly have reached that conclusion. |
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| re: Broadway Grosses 2/4 — Box office fumbles by nerly 10% from prior week | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 12:52 am EST 02/07/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Broadway Grosses 2/4 — Box office fumbles by nerly 10% from prior week - CCentero 12:30 pm EST 02/06/18 | |
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| Firstly, you've already walked back from the claim of "moronic vilification campaign", which was indeed an alternative reality, although one that I think you believe. Secondly, when the play was first announced, I simply said that it seemed risky in terms of subject matter. Some people said that they felt it would sell well because of Mark Rylance, and I said that this was certainly possible, and that I would glad to be wrong in my original assessment. I never spoke to the play's quality, nor said it wasn't very good. Meanwhile, you hysterically accused me of trying to trash the play because it was written by a woman, for which you never offered any proof. Thirdly, I've only posted about the show two or three times since it opened. I thought so little of it when I saw it that I didn't even bother to write a review, because it didn't seem worth the effort. Sure, some of my quick posts on the play were dismissive, but writing "it's not much of a play" doesn't strike me as catty nor disrespectful, and I happily engaged in conversation on the play when asked. I wrote that its a strong production, and I explained why I view it as a poorly written play. I also explained that I don't view the concept of it as a jukebox musical as derogatory, because it follows the form of a jukebox show. (The extent to which it is a musical - and they added three songs to it for Broadway - challenges your putting PLAY in all caps). My posting was a few paragraphs that weren't even written to you, and while I'm flattered that you read the whole thing since you hate my writing so much, it's agains hysterical to compare a few paragraphs of writing to the works of Trotsky (though I'm semi-flattered by the comparison). I don't know why some of you feel that anything longer than three sentences is a textbook, but that's on y'all. And, hey, if you don't want to debate, then don't bring up the subject. You invited this thread, not me. Fourthly, you don't know anything about my bosses, so that's another absurd statement. I don't know why it rankles you so much that I work in this business, nor why you need to criticize my work and passive aggressively imply that I'm lying about my job. I do think that if you knew much about my realm of the theater world, you'd know that we all make our best guesses at what our audiences want to see, and we're often surprised by what they do or don't respond to. I never staked my reputation on whether "Farinelli" would sell tickets. In any event, it's not my job to pick which plays or musicals should come over from the West End (though I do think "Everybody's Talking About Jamie" is one good rewrite and a new set design away from a successful New York run), and I've never claimed otherwise. |
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| Leon Trotsky? | |
| Posted by: broadwaybacker 10:38 am EST 02/07/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Broadway Grosses 2/4 — Box office fumbles by nerly 10% from prior week - Singapore/Fling 12:52 am EST 02/07/18 | |
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| @Singapore/Sling AND CCentero Never knew he was that much of a writer. Now, Leon TOLSTOY is another story. :) |
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| re: Leon Trotsky? | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 10:41 pm EST 02/07/18 | |
| In reply to: Leon Trotsky? - broadwaybacker 10:38 am EST 02/07/18 | |
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| I read it as Tolstoy at first myself, but I appreciated the subtle dig that what I write on this site is better suited to revolutionary tracts than fine literature, lol. Not that I ever rival Tolstoy, but I do save my best prose for work. :-) |
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| re: Broadway Grosses 2/4 — Box office fumbles by nerly 10% from prior week | |
| Posted by: ryhog 01:05 am EST 02/06/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Broadway Grosses 2/4 — Box office fumbles by nerly 10% from prior week - Singapore/Fling 12:54 am EST 02/06/18 | |
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| My recollection is that most of the negative criticism was that the play was not as deep as its trappings might suggest. That's obviously not vilification. Yes there are often folks here who criticize plays for not being what they think they should be rather than what they aspire to be, and that criticism is fairly often not a very good bellweather. But (intentionally or not) vilification seems like a particularly inapt description of the tenor of what has appeared here. My comment was that it was not an entertainment than a serious or important piece of theatre. | |
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| re: Broadway Grosses 2/4 — Box office fumbles by nerly 10% from prior week | |
| Posted by: CCentero 12:34 pm EST 02/06/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Broadway Grosses 2/4 — Box office fumbles by nerly 10% from prior week - ryhog 01:05 am EST 02/06/18 | |
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| I happen to agree with you that it works best as an entertainment and have found over the years that declaring that something is a serious or important piece of theatre usually looks foolish years later. | |
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