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| Posted by: Chazwaza 01:11 pm EST 02/09/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Gavin Creel/Peerless - NewtonUK 11:45 am EST 02/09/18 | |
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| I enjoyed Creel very much, but I thought he was better in other things, and certainly not the best Cornelius - not better than Michael Crawford who imbued it with comedy and character and timing that Creel just doesn't have as an actor or singer. Again, I love him and admire his enormous talent, but he hasn't been quite *peerless* in probably anything, I'd say, including Hello Dolly. |
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| re: totally agree | |
| Posted by: BruceinIthaca 10:31 am EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: totally agree - Chazwaza 01:11 pm EST 02/09/18 | |
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| You liked Michael Crawford in the film of "Hello, Dolly!" Really. De gustibus....I guess, but even defenders of the film (and I enjoyed it a lot when I was twelve) tend to find his performance embarrassingly bad. A friend recently pointed out that it seems like he was trying to imitate Charles Nelson Reilly (whose brand of comedy I do enjoy--so, de gustibus to me, I guess), but CNR was sui generis--what could be kooky and endearing in him just seemed annoying in Crawford. | |
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| Posted by: KingSpeed 10:44 pm EST 02/10/18 | |
| In reply to: totally agree - Chazwaza 01:11 pm EST 02/09/18 | |
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| Peerless would suggest that he is better than everybody of his type in his generation. Michael Crawford and CNR don't count as peers. Does Gavin have equal peers these days? | |
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| re: totally agree | |
| Posted by: AC126748 10:49 am EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: totally agree - KingSpeed 10:44 pm EST 02/10/18 | |
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| I could probably think of 10-20 male musical theater actors who are roughly the same age as Creel who sing, dance and act at reasonably the same level. | |
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| re: totally agree | |
| Last Edit: Chazwaza 01:30 pm EST 02/12/18 | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 01:28 pm EST 02/12/18 | |
| In reply to: re: totally agree - AC126748 10:49 am EST 02/11/18 | |
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| Yeah - i'm not sure about 10-20 but 5, sure. I've always liked Creel - he's very talented and very good at what he does. But so far, having seen the majority of his roles on Broadway, I don't think what he does is super unique or special outside of how special it is to be a wonderful singer, good actor, good mover, charming and good looking, all at the same time and on stage. (and don't get me wrong, that list isn't meant to undermine his talent or the difficulty of being a broadway performer at his level) I think this will probably keep him from ever being iconic in his talent or Broadway career, but he will probably always work and always be good. For what it's worth, I would EASILY have given the Tony to Lucas Steele last year over Creel. (And I wouldn't have given it to him for Millie or Hair either, despite thinking he was excellent in both) |
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| re: totally agree | |
| Posted by: AC126748 02:27 pm EST 02/12/18 | |
| In reply to: re: totally agree - Chazwaza 01:28 pm EST 02/12/18 | |
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| I've always liked Creel - he's very talented and very good at what he does. But so far, having seen the majority of his roles on Broadway, I don't think what he does is super unique or special outside of how special it is to be a wonderful singer, good actor, good mover, charming and good looking, all at the same time and on stage. (and don't get me wrong, that list isn't meant to undermine his talent or the difficulty of being a broadway performer at his level) Dead-on. When I hear the term "peerless," it evokes a once-in-a-generation talent, someone totally in a class of their own. That is certainly not Creel, although he's quite talented. Honestly, save perhaps Audra McDonald, I'm not sure I would call any current musical theater performer "peerless." |
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| Last Edit: Chazwaza 02:36 pm EST 02/12/18 | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 02:34 pm EST 02/12/18 | |
| In reply to: re: totally agree - AC126748 02:27 pm EST 02/12/18 | |
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| Yeah that word peerless is tough because even legends have peers. To me it is about the specific mix of their talents and qualities as a performer i.e. their sound, their abilities, their look. Is Donna Murphy peerless? Sutton Foster? Kelli O'Hara? Jessie Mueller? Ben Platt? No one really does what Bernadette does the way she does it. Nor Patti LuPone, so I'd put both of them in there. Mandy Patinkin also. Joel Grey, though he doesn't really perform in any notable way anymore. Tommy Tune. Chita Rivera still. Nathan Lane is probably peerless. Savion Glover, though he also doesn't perform much. Lin Manuel Miranda is currently peerless in the specificity of what he does on stage, not because he does it so well, there are better rappers, actors and singers than him, including those in his own show or replacing him, but he has a quality that sets him apart. Kristin Chenoweth is pretty specific in her mix of talents and qualities, perhaps she's peerless. Maybe Charlie Stemp will prove to be peerless. |
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