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| Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? | |
| Posted by: summertheater 10:15 pm EST 02/10/18 | |
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| Don't they get a clue? If a show starts 8pm and ends 10:30pm, NOBODY wants to get home after midnight on a school night. Trains shut down and get replaced by shuttle buses at 9:30pm these days now. Look at the Queens Blvd mess all this week and next week - if you're not on the E/F/R train by 8:30pm, you're screwed getting home. It's funny how the Saturday matinee at 2pm is selling great and almost sold out. That way people can get home at a reasonable time. These shows really should start at 6:30pm these days (and 7pm at the absolute latest). Are theater people not able to wake up at 6am and 7am like the rest of us working people, to start their rehearsals, so they can finish in time to play a 6:30pm or 7pm curtain? Well the customers are voting with their feet and they're refusing to buy tickets to 8pm shows. Good for them. |
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| Frozen - evening performances through to August start at 8pm | |
| Posted by: donnyboy 05:55 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - summertheater 10:15 pm EST 02/10/18 | |
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| People don't seem to be voting with their feet for this....... Though frankly it does seem so odd that a Disney show is the one with latest start time - albeit with a running time of 2 hours - so down by 10. |
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| Posted by: NewtonUK 01:32 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - summertheater 10:15 pm EST 02/10/18 | |
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| Of course, I recall when they were all 830pm curtains! On Mondays, PHANTOM, KINKY BOOTS, ONCE ON THIS ISLAND and CHICAGO all have 8pm Curtains. On Tuesdays, JOHN LITHGOW and CHICAGO have 8pm Curtains On Wednesdays, COM FROM AWAY, DEAR EVAN HANSEN, FARINELL, HAMILTON, HELLO DOLLY, JOHN LITHGOW, and PHANTOM all have 8pm Curtains On Thursdays JOHN LITHGOW, PHANTOM, CHICAGO all have 8pm Curtains And all Friday and Saturday eves are at 8 |
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| 8:45 was the old start time | |
| Posted by: dramedy 07:12 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: PM Broadway curtains - NewtonUK 01:32 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
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| For 11oclock number. But i think offices were more 9-5 and half day on saturday was typical office hours. | |
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| re: 8:45 was the old start time | |
| Posted by: scoot1er 08:08 am EST 02/12/18 | |
| In reply to: 8:45 was the old start time - dramedy 07:12 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
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| Actually, way back when...musicals started at 8:30, plays at 8:40 (for some reason they were different) except The Sound of Music which started at 8:25 and Virginia Woolf at 8:00. Matinees were at 2:30 and 2:40. Wednesday matinees went to 2:00 before Saturday matinees but I am not sure how long before. | |
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| re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? | |
| Posted by: FinalPerformance 12:54 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - summertheater 10:15 pm EST 02/10/18 | |
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| I am going to see Escape to Margaritaville on March 2 and thank to tdf for their offer. I live in Queens and your on the mark with the nightmare subway work. At times the E, F and R run on the same local tracks, but the R creates a problem because when it pulls into 71st Ave. a crew cleans up the cars. The other trains are backed up waiting. It is hard on all those passengers just wanting to get home, many from work. Some nights what use to be a 15 minute trip can take 35- 40 minutes. I agree with this situation, as for theatre times, well that's part of living in the city. I always look for a 7:00 show now. Occasionally doing an 8:00 when there is no other choice. | |
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| re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? | |
| Posted by: NewsGuy 12:37 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - summertheater 10:15 pm EST 02/10/18 | |
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| Get real. Sometimes, on school nights, you go out and do things and stay out until midnight or later. This is New York City, this is why I moved to New York City - I came here to live life and enjoy myself. If I wanted the show over and to be home and in bed by 7 p.m. so I can turn on Jeopardy and fall asleep, I'd throw in the towel now and head to a retirement home in Ft. Myers. As for the shows not selling the first week - so what? It's the first week. I've seen Buffett numerous times throughout the years in many fine venues across the country, many of those nights I simply don't remember, but I do remember many of them being Tuesdays and Thursdays where, voila, the show started at 8 p.m. In being familiar with his music and his following, I'd say the show right now, is very very "light" in making itself known. Let the thing get open, work out the kinks for Broadway, and send Buffett himself on the Today show to pimp it out and if that doesn't work, then let's talk. |
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| re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? | |
| Posted by: NewtonUK 09:13 am EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - summertheater 10:15 pm EST 02/10/18 | |
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| No. They're refusing to buy tickets to crap shows. Finally. | |
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| re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 10:46 am EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - NewtonUK 09:13 am EST 02/11/18 | |
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| well folks have always refused to buy tickets to what they view as crap shows but the point here is that the people being described by the OP (i.e., weekday outer borough Broadway-bound subway-riders who go to work circa 8AM) are a statistically insignificant group of people for Broadway musicals (even Hamilton on weeknights) and an early curtain loses other more significant demographics (e.g., those who work more typical NYC hours, like until 6 or so; tourists who want to eat first; etc.) | |
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| re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 03:06 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - ryhog 10:46 am EST 02/11/18 | |
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| I don't understand the distinction between people who have to go to work at 8am, and people who work "more typical NYC hours". If someone has to be in the office at 9am, and they live 45 - 60 minutes away from their office, then they have to go to work at 8am. Are you suggesting that people who work 9 - 5 are a weekend audience, while people who work 10 - 6 are a weekday audience? Is it a difference of industries (finance versus the more creative sectors)? Or are you saying things about the people themselves? I sometimes get the impression from this board that many people who moved to New York in the latter decades of the 20th Century don't always understand the ways that rising population and skyrocketing rents have pushed significant portions of the population into neighborhoods of Brooklyn and Queens (and now the Bronx) that once seemed unthinkably far away. I don't want to misread your comments, so I'm curious: Where does the typical weeknight Broadway musical audience live? What are their zip codes, and how far into the boroughs do they tend to make their homes? |
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| re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 04:23 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - Singapore/Fling 03:06 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
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| I am definitely not saying things about the people themselves. I am saying people who have inflexible jobs and live some distance from the theatre district are not likely to go to weeknight shows, whether 7 or 8. There has of course been a shift in where people live, as you suggest, but there have always (in our lifetimes) been people living in certain neighborhoods in Queens (and the other boroughs) who work in the city and tend to head home after work. I also think this is somewhat age related: young people living way out are willing to stay in the city later, and older people sometimes decide they want more space, families, etc. and move to places that is possible. (People I know were moving to Queens in the 80s and 90s, and over time have become less willing to play on weeknights. People who stayed on the UWS in small apartments are more likely to go to the theatre, a concert or dinner etc on a weeknight.) Marketing people have data on zip codes that's pretty tight, but my sense is that people who live in what we used to call the 212 are much more likely to go to a show during the week. However, this misses an important point which is that a huge chunk of the weeknight audience is from out of town, which is why January and February are so tough for shows that are not selling out. And it depends what show. January and February are actually good months for people living in 10023 etc to see shows, but they are not likely to give up a night at the opera for Margaritaville. I don't know if i have clarified or clouded my points... |
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| re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 01:33 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - ryhog 10:46 am EST 02/11/18 | |
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| "Well folks have always refused to buy tickets to what they view as crap shows but the point here is that the people being described by the OP (i.e., weekday outer borough Broadway-bound subway-riders who go to work circa 8AM) are a statistically insignificant group of people for Broadway musicals (even Hamilton on weeknights) and an early curtain loses other more significant demographics (e.g., those who work more typical NYC hours, like until 6 or so; tourists who want to eat first; etc.)" Yes. But I would say that if the 8pm weeknight performances of ESCAPE TO MARGARITAVILLE are not selling well yet, it may be partly due to the fact that whatever percentage of New York-area residents does remain among Broadway theatergoers -- including people who have to get up early to go to work the next morning -- would tend to be larger during the early run of the show than the latter, whereas the percentage of tourists in the audience (who presumably have a short after-show trip to their hotels and who don't necessarily have to get up early the next morning) would only increase as the run continues. |
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| re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 01:52 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - Michael_Portantiere 01:33 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
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| I really don't think the vast majority of local theatregoers look at the curtain time as a make or break for whether they are going to see a show. | |
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| re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 02:05 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - Ncassidine 01:52 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
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| "I really don't think the vast majority of local theatregoers look at the curtain time as a make or break for whether they are going to see a show." I have no idea what percentage of local theatergoers may consider that a factor, I was just responding to summerhteater, who obviously does consider it as a possible factor. |
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| re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 03:00 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - Michael_Portantiere 02:05 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
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| While you may not, and summertheater may think s/he does, people who make a living selling tickets to Broadway shows do know, and what they know is that precious few people in Queens buy tickets on school nights regardless of the time. And if there is an exception to that rule, it is when shows are papered or possibly on TDF, and guess what, producers don't make a living catering to self-entitled "I am the center of the universe" folks they comp, and especially not at the expense of paying customers. There is a calculus and summertheater's back seat driving doesn't overcome it. | |
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| re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 04:27 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - ryhog 03:00 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
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| I don't doubt your figures, but let me ask you this: If the weekday curtain time is considered pretty much a non-issue for local theatergoers who have to get up for work, what is the main reason behind the fact that so many (if not most) shows now have 7pm curtain on weeknights -- often except for Wednesdays, when they stick with the 8pm start to give the company more time between shows for dinner or whatever? Is it to get the cast and company members home earlier? To allow theatergoers, wherever they are from, more time to go out to a restaurant, bar, or wherever after the show? A combination of those things? | |
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| re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? | |
| Posted by: EvFoDr 10:44 am EST 02/12/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - Michael_Portantiere 04:27 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
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| This is just a guess but I think after the Tuesdays at Seven campaign was initiated many years ago, enough shows saw a positive tick, and possibly received favorable feedback from audiences who liked the option of an earlier start time, that they started extending the 7pm start to other weeknights. Personally I like a 7pm curtain on weeknights. I live in the city and even then the evening subway situation can be a drag. I also choose to get up very early in the morning because I like to go to the gym then, so I welcome the chance to go to bed a little earlier. It does make dinner really tight since I work until 6pm, but I think it's worth it. A tourist isn't coming from work so I imagine it is not that hard for them to start their pre-show meal at a time that lines up with the curtain, whether that is 7pm or 8pm. And for those who want to live it up, a 7pm curtain makes it possible to have a late dinner, but not impossibly late (I would consider having dinner after an 8pm show impossibly late). However, I don't think any of this has anything to do with the OP's post, which suggests people are not buying tix to the first week of Margaritaville because of the curtain time. It's the first week and this show is not arriving with any must-see buzz. And on the other hand, there are plenty of popular shows selling tickets to 8pm shows during the week. |
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| re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? | |
| Posted by: NewtonUK 01:06 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - ryhog 10:46 am EST 02/11/18 | |
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| True. And if HAMILTON or BOOK OF MORMON, or ALADDIN, or COME FROM AWAY etc had all their evenings at 8, their grosses would not go down ... | |
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| It's not the curtain time, it's the show | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 09:02 am EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - summertheater 10:15 pm EST 02/10/18 | |
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| Hamilton isn't playing to empty houses during the week, nor will Harry Potter be. But if Margaritaville is running more than two hours, they need to tighten that puppy up! | |
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| I think it has to do with rehearsal time... | |
| Posted by: mdcoz 12:29 am EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - summertheater 10:15 pm EST 02/10/18 | |
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| During previews starting at 8:00pm allows for an extra hour of rehearsal time. Now - once the show opens, they certainly may be more successful with an earlier midweek curtain as you have suggested. | |
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| re: I think it has to do with rehearsal time... | |
| Posted by: summertheater 09:39 am EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: I think it has to do with rehearsal time... - mdcoz 12:29 am EST 02/11/18 | |
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| My point is: If many of their paying customers can wake up at 6am to get to their jobs by 8am/9am, can't theater professionals wake up at 6am to do the same? If they'd start their jobs ("rehearsals") at 8am like their customers, I highly doubt they'd want to stick around to a bizarre time of 8pm to start performances after being at rehearsal since 8am. Why does this "extra hour" of rehearsal time have to be pushed towards the evening hours? Start the rehearsals one hour earlier. Problem solved. |
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| re: I think it has to do with rehearsal time... | |
| Posted by: mattyp4 10:45 am EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: I think it has to do with rehearsal time... - summertheater 09:39 am EST 02/11/18 | |
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| A "bizarre" start time of 8pm? That comment is... bizarre. 8pm has been the standard start time for decades. |
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| re: I think it has to do with rehearsal time... | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 10:28 am EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: I think it has to do with rehearsal time... - summertheater 09:39 am EST 02/11/18 | |
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| That's not how any of this works. | |
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| re: I think it has to do with rehearsal time... | |
| Posted by: ryhog 10:15 am EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: I think it has to do with rehearsal time... - summertheater 09:39 am EST 02/11/18 | |
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| ...and your premises are just about completely wrong about just about everything. | |
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| re: I think it has to do with rehearsal time... | |
| Posted by: Billhaven 10:09 am EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: I think it has to do with rehearsal time... - summertheater 09:39 am EST 02/11/18 | |
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| Actor's Equity has fought long and hard for a reasonable work day. Your "paying customers" aren't working at night , are they? They are watching a company of professionals who are. There has to be a 12 hour period between the end of the day and beginning of the next. The crew is called at least an hour before that. Folks who work 9-5 wouldn't be required to show up at 5 in the morning, would they. Also, there has to be a decent break in between rehearsal and performance. This allows everyone to eat and rest before performing. |
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| re: I think it has to do with rehearsal time... | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 01:27 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: I think it has to do with rehearsal time... - Billhaven 10:09 am EST 02/11/18 | |
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| Exactly. We have to get up at 6am and then continue working while you're relaxing at the theater?? | |
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| re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? | |
| Posted by: Delvino 12:16 am EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - summertheater 10:15 pm EST 02/10/18 | |
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| A lot of posts below are irritated with your assertion. I am not. I see your point(s), and support you. Getting butts in seats in the cold, dark months on weeknights remains a challenge. Putting working people home at 12 -12:30 -- you are spot on. It's only anecdotal evidence, but I've heard as much. Anyone who doubts it, visit the TKTS line multiple times in a week, and notice the difference in sales. | |
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| re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 12:20 am EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - Delvino 12:16 am EST 02/11/18 | |
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| Delvino, those people do not come to the theatre during the week in any meaningful number. The notion that they do is a post hoc fallacy. There is plenty of data on this. | |
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| re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 10:30 pm EST 02/10/18 | |
| In reply to: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - summertheater 10:15 pm EST 02/10/18 | |
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| I hardly think the producers of this show are holding their breath waiting for folks who have ever heard of Queens Blvd to show up for ANY performance. | |
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| re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 01:17 am EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - ryhog 10:30 pm EST 02/10/18 | |
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| True. And also true that the OP's often seems to live on a different planet than the rest of us. But I will agree about 2.5 hour-long shows that start at 8pm are a nightmare for anyone who lives in an outerborough, because the trains completely fall apart after 10pm. I often don't go home until midnight if I leave Times Square at 10:30, and that used to be a 45 minute trip. |
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| Isn't this summertheater's annual complaint about curtain times? (nm) | |
| Posted by: MarkBearSF 02:59 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - Singapore/Fling 01:17 am EST 02/11/18 | |
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| How many times have we heard this whine from him? | |
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| Would that it were annual. | |
| Posted by: ryhog 03:04 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: Isn't this summertheater's annual complaint about curtain times? (nm) - MarkBearSF 02:59 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
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| S/he (do we know?) has every right to crusade about this (or even the less palatable causes summertheater has adopted) but I am pretty sure the frequency has increased, to the point I can't help but wonder if it is not just being done for sport. | |
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| re: Would that it were annual. | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 03:15 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: Would that it were annual. - ryhog 03:04 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
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| I'm still surprised people take Summertheater seriously on most issues, but in this case, Summertheater is surprisingly on the ball. It is true that in the past few weeks, the train schedules have shifted such that after 9:30 pm, one's commute time can double. It's common after 9:30pm to encounter trains stalling out for 5 minutes at a time between stations, trains that no longer run on the track that they're supposed to, and trains that stop at earlier destinations than usual. You notice this even in Manhattan, and it only gets worse once you cross a river. It doesn't quite affect my decisions about seeing shows (and often I don't have a choice about when I see things, because they're for work), but it has increased my willingness to leave at intermission if possible, it has made me grateful for shows that run under 90 minutes, and it's completely ruled out attending anything with a late-night start. |
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| re: Would that it were annual. | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 06:25 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Would that it were annual. - Singapore/Fling 03:15 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
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| How many people in the audience are going back to the outer boroughs vs. hopping the NJ Transit/cab/hotel or live in Manhattan? | |
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| re: Would that it were annual. | |
| Posted by: Billhaven 03:55 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Would that it were annual. - Singapore/Fling 03:15 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
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| I'm not sure why you all keep debating having the curtain at an earlier time. Margaritaville is in PREVIEWS. They have to start at 8. They have a full day of rehearsal and are required to have a break of 11/2 hours or dinner. If you look on their schedule you will see that they go to a 7 PM schedule once they open after March 15.Their scheduling has nothing to do with trains or suburban folks or Summertheater's wishes and dreams. | |
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| re: Would that it were annual. | |
| Posted by: summertheater 04:17 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Would that it were annual. - Billhaven 03:55 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
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| Can someone help me understand the math? (Since I don't work in theater I don't know what the Equity rules are.) Someone else posted a 12 hour break between end of show & start of rehearsal. Now we see 1.5 hours for dinner after rehearsal is also required. So (I am guessing here): A show starts at 8pm and ends 10:30pm Monday night. That means rehearsal cannot start until 10:30am Tuesday. Rehearsal goes until 6:30pm Tuesday, then show starts 8pm Tuesday. If this is correct, what would stop Equity from allowing the following: A show starts at 7pm and ends 9:30pm Monday night. That means rehearsal cannot start until 9:30am Tuesday. Rehearsal goes until 5:30pm Tuesday, then show starts 7pm Tuesday. |
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| re: Would that it were annual. | |
| Posted by: garyd 04:46 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Would that it were annual. - summertheater 04:17 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
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| Here. Go to page 91. These may be slightly out of date but not by much in terms of rules. Perhaps you can digest the rules and come up with a better solution. At least you will have read the rules. |
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| Link | http://www.actorsequity.org/docs/rulebooks/Production_Rulebook_League_11-15.pdf |
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| re: Would that it were annual. | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 04:15 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Would that it were annual. - Billhaven 03:55 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
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| Oh, I'm not debating moving the "Margaritaville" start time, I'm just curious about the larger question this has prompted about how our theater responds to our crumbling infrastructure. While I think that ryhog is right that the audience for this show - and perhaps for Broadway as a whole - isn't the core NY theater going audience, I do look at the non-profit world, and wonder how they'll respond to the train problem. And I'm always curious about how Manahattanites are unaware of the struggles that the rest of us face living in this city. This thread may have started around this new Jimmy Buffet musical that I have heard is the single worst thing to be foisted upon Times Square since Guy Fieri's restaurant, but I don't think many of the responses really care much about that regressive piece of "entertainment". |
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| re: Would that it were annual. | |
| Posted by: ryhog 04:30 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Would that it were annual. - Singapore/Fling 04:15 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
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| I am headed out so will be brief, but unfortunately I don't think the theatre can solve the city's infrastructure troubles. I am certainly not unaware or unfrustrated by the struggles, even though I can walk or take a bus if the trains are a mess. I missed a show last week because of a train screwup and I was just coming up from the village. Anyone who is exempt is not using transit. | |
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| re: Would that it were annual. | |
| Posted by: summertheater 04:27 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Would that it were annual. - Singapore/Fling 04:15 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
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| The theater world has responded to the subways before. If the subways are shut down due to a winter storm, the shows are cancelled. Similarly, I believe they should adapt to the major change in subway track work that was instituted a few months ago. For the past 15+ years I have been taking the subway after a show, the weeknight trackwork (with very limited exceptions) has always started at midnight. Now, a major change has occurred. Due to the crumbling infrastructure, as of approx November 2017, the subway trackwork now starts (with limited exceptions) at 9:30pm/9:45pm. Just look at Tuesday night's trackwork on the MTA website and you'll know what I mean - these are very major service disruptions as of 9:30pm/9:45pm. Total shutdowns of the system are occurring along Queens Blvd (E/F/R), Morningside Heights (#1), Ozone Park (A), and Flatbush (#2) starting 9:30pm Tuesday night. You will need to take a shuttle bus. Manhattan customers will see significant reroutes as well. |
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| re: Would that it were annual. | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 06:19 pm EST 02/12/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Would that it were annual. - summertheater 04:27 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
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| Go to a weekend matinee. End of discussion. | |
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| re: Would that it were annual. | |
| Posted by: ryhog 04:40 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Would that it were annual. - summertheater 04:27 pm EST 02/11/18 | |
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| winter storms are catastrophes, and cost the theatre dearly (and sometimes disastrously). You can't respond to an ongoing crisis that way because it will kill the patient. This problem is bigger than you and bigger than the theatre, but your solution does not make the slightest bit of sense. | |
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| re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 10:29 pm EST 02/10/18 | |
| In reply to: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - summertheater 10:15 pm EST 02/10/18 | |
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| Not everybody is like you. Pick a show that you can get to and stop complaining. | |
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| re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 10:22 pm EST 02/10/18 | |
| In reply to: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - summertheater 10:15 pm EST 02/10/18 | |
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| A lot of people work until 6pm or later. 7pm curtains aren't really doable, especially for anyone coming in from Jersey or Westchester. The ability to get there to begin with is easier to deal with than figuring out how to get home. | |
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| re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? | |
| Posted by: summertheater 10:44 pm EST 02/10/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - Ncassidine 10:22 pm EST 02/10/18 | |
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| On the other hand, my friends who live in the suburbs will ONLY see a show that starts at 7pm (they either are retired or work in the city until 5pm/6pm, and do not feel like getting home after midnight). I would rather take a few vacation hours and see a Wednesday matinee than get home after midnight and be completely unable to function at work the next day. I challenge everyone to explain why the Mon 2/19 thru Thurs 2/22 8pm performances are virtually UNSOLD, whereas the Sat 2/24 2pm performance is almost completely SOLD OUT? Can there be a different explanation other than my explanation? I'd be very curious to hear other people's explanation. (From the way the tickets are selling, it seems to me you should just cancel all the weeknight 8pm performances of this show since nobody wants to get home late.) |
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| Posted by: mattyp4 11:03 am EST 02/11/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - summertheater 10:44 pm EST 02/10/18 | |
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| "I challenge everyone to explain why the Mon 2/19 thru Thurs 2/22 8pm performances are virtually UNSOLD, whereas the Sat 2/24 2pm performance is almost completely SOLD OUT?" Maybe because it's a musical featuring the crappy music of Jimmy Buffett? Perhaps these shows would have been "virtually SOLD OUT" if they played Florida instead of Broadway. |
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| re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 10:45 pm EST 02/10/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Escape to Margaritaville - Why schedule previews (Mon-Thurs) at 8pm if virtually the entire theater is unsold those days? - summertheater 10:44 pm EST 02/10/18 | |
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| I think matinee audiences very largely are always matinee audiences, and don't come into the city on weeknights. | |
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