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| re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 07:19 pm EDT 03/31/18 | |
| In reply to: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. - AlexandraBee 10:25 am EDT 03/31/18 | |
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| For which creative position would you have hired a woman? Which woman? Is that woman better for the job than the man that currently has the job? Why? | |
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| re: PRETTY WOMAN - Still a boys club | |
| Posted by: AlexandraBee 04:07 pm EDT 04/01/18 | |
| In reply to: re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. - KingSpeed 07:19 pm EDT 03/31/18 | |
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| Here is an informal breakdown of the 23 musicals currently running and the gender breakdown (not counting book and composer/lyricists): Director - Male: 21 Female: 3 Choreographer - Male: 17 Female: 8 Set Designer - Male: 21 Female: 2 Costume Designer - Male: 11 Female: 12 Lighting Designer - Male: 19 Female: 5 Sound Designer - Male 23 Female: 0 The statistics speak for themselves. |
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| re: PRETTY WOMAN - Still a boys club | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 01:16 am EDT 04/02/18 | |
| In reply to: re: PRETTY WOMAN - Still a boys club - AlexandraBee 04:07 pm EDT 04/01/18 | |
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| This is not a numbers game. It's art. It's creativity. Let's talk about which women directors, writers, etc should be getting a chance instead of railing on about stats. | |
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| re: PRETTY WOMAN - Still a boys club | |
| Posted by: sf 10:04 am EDT 04/02/18 | |
| In reply to: re: PRETTY WOMAN - Still a boys club - KingSpeed 01:16 am EDT 04/02/18 | |
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| No, let's talk about the number of women graduating from theatre programmes vs. the proportion of women getting hired for the most high-profile jobs. Then let's talk about the proportion of women in the audience - buying tickets - vs. the proportion of women represented in creative roles. Or are you suggesting women are somehow less capable of "art" and "creativity" than men? Because if that's the case, you haven't met enough women. |
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| re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. | |
| Posted by: whereismikeyfl 12:47 am EDT 04/01/18 | |
| In reply to: re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. - KingSpeed 07:19 pm EDT 03/31/18 | |
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| What are the odds that the best choice for every position on the creative team would be male? It seems so unlikely that you want to ask the producers to pick your lotto numbers. | |
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| re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 08:08 am EDT 04/01/18 | |
| In reply to: re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. - whereismikeyfl 12:47 am EDT 04/01/18 | |
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| Like I said, who would you choose instead? | |
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| re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. | |
| Posted by: BruceinIthaca 11:41 am EDT 04/01/18 | |
| In reply to: re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. - KingSpeed 08:08 am EDT 04/01/18 | |
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| Really poor argumentative style--why should any poster be able to name a specific woman, any more than a specific man? And if you look at the theatrical scene over the past twenty years, Broadway, off, regional, I am sure you would come up with any number of women who might have been approached. That's like saying, we'd LOVE to hire minorities--we just can't seem to find ANY! Disingenuous and dishonest. If women were approached and said they didn't have any interest in working on a project that makes prostitution appear to be an appealing job, THAT I could understand. |
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| re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 01:18 am EDT 04/02/18 | |
| In reply to: re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. - BruceinIthaca 11:41 am EDT 04/01/18 | |
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| We SHOULD name specific men. Art isn't paint by numbers. Let's talk about artists we'd really like to get a chance. And maybe women did turn it down. Do we know? | |
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| re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. | |
| Posted by: AlexandraBee 09:57 pm EDT 04/02/18 | |
| In reply to: re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. - KingSpeed 01:18 am EDT 04/02/18 | |
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| When you read across the board that the creative team of a new 21st century musical - director, choreographer, set designer, costume designer, lighting designer and sound designer are all male, you have to infer that the composition (not unlike a 1960's era boardroom) is more out of habit and comfortability (and why ruin a good thing, right?) than talent. It's understandable that no one wants to cede creative power and an opportunity; but sometimes the cycle needs to be broken conscientiously and deliberately. Producers and directors have the power to change this. | |
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| re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. | |
| Posted by: kidmanboy 08:46 am EDT 04/01/18 | |
| In reply to: re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. - KingSpeed 08:08 am EDT 04/01/18 | |
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| To replicate the songwriting teams experience, literally ANY female pop song writer of the past thirty years would be just as qualified. | |
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| re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 01:11 am EDT 04/02/18 | |
| In reply to: re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. - kidmanboy 08:46 am EDT 04/01/18 | |
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| So there's no difference between these women? As long as it's one of them, we're good? Just asking. | |
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| re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. | |
| Posted by: Thom915 12:09 pm EDT 04/01/18 | |
| In reply to: re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. - kidmanboy 08:46 am EDT 04/01/18 | |
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| Excellent point. | |
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| re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 07:46 pm EDT 03/31/18 | |
| In reply to: re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. - KingSpeed 07:19 pm EDT 03/31/18 | |
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| Are you suggesting there are NO women who are even equally qualified for any of the positions? | |
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| re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 08:09 am EDT 04/01/18 | |
| In reply to: re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. - MockingbirdGirl 07:46 pm EDT 03/31/18 | |
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| Nope. Just asking the questions that need to be answered. | |
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| re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. | |
| Posted by: BruceinIthaca 11:42 am EDT 04/01/18 | |
| In reply to: re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. - KingSpeed 08:09 am EDT 04/01/18 | |
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| Not really--you're simply trolling and revealing your defensiveness about the temerity of posters pointing out the gender disparity in a production whose source claims to be centered around a woman, but actually just reinforces stereotypical objectification of them. | |
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| re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 01:13 am EDT 04/02/18 | |
| In reply to: re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. - BruceinIthaca 11:42 am EDT 04/01/18 | |
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| I'm not doing any of that. I'm just saying we should talk specifics, not generalizations. | |
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| re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 07:46 pm EDT 03/31/18 | |
| In reply to: re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. - KingSpeed 07:19 pm EDT 03/31/18 | |
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| I'm not sure the questions you are asking are relevant to the intent of the post. | |
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| re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. | |
| Posted by: MTPROF77 07:41 pm EDT 03/31/18 | |
| In reply to: re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. - KingSpeed 07:19 pm EDT 03/31/18 | |
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| Be careful: you are making too much sense for this day and age. | |
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| re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not woman in sight. | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 01:22 am EDT 04/02/18 | |
| In reply to: re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. - MTPROF77 07:41 pm EDT 03/31/18 | |
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| Thank you | |
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| re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. | |
| Posted by: Thom915 07:35 pm EDT 03/31/18 | |
| In reply to: re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. - KingSpeed 07:19 pm EDT 03/31/18 | |
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| People seem to especially criticize the score which I have not heard so i cannot really say that my choice Jeanine Tesori would be better. On the basis of "Days and Days" from Fun Home as well as her score for Thoroughly Modern Mille (sprightly tunes not the time period) as well as her other scores, I would like to see what she would have done with the material. | |
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| re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 08:10 am EDT 04/01/18 | |
| In reply to: re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. - Thom915 07:35 pm EDT 03/31/18 | |
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| That's a much better discussion than "it's so horrible women weren't hired." | |
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| re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 02:42 am EDT 04/01/18 | |
| In reply to: re: PRETTY WOMAN - All-Male Creative Team - not a woman in sight. - Thom915 07:35 pm EDT 03/31/18 | |
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| I'd agree, except I don't think she has in her the sound that the producers must clearly want for this musical of a bad but beloved 80s movie, which is why they hired someone like Bryan Adams... and also I think her talents and time would have been entirely wasted doing a musical of Pretty Woman. | |
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