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| There is no requirement to announce | |
| Posted by: dramedy 08:08 pm EDT 04/02/18 | |
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| Although Rudin usually does. Maybe the numerous press releases on how Shubert boxoffice was being broken weekly put them in a position to not announce. They may do it when the show closes at the end of the year (if rumors are correct) so that no one except investors know how much profit was made. | |
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| re: There is no requirement to announce | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 08:20 pm EDT 04/02/18 | |
| In reply to: There is no requirement to announce - dramedy 08:08 pm EDT 04/02/18 | |
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| There is no requirement, but I don't think it makes good business sense to not announce it. Branding a show as a bona fide hit encourages more people to see it and will make it easier to promote the upcoming tour (which will need all the help it can get). Has there ever been a hit show that did not announce it recouped (if not openly then at least by leaking the recoupment news to a journalist like Suskin)? | |
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| i don't think Aladdin actually announced. | |
| Posted by: dramedy 08:44 pm EDT 04/02/18 | |
| In reply to: re: There is no requirement to announce - BroadwayTonyJ 08:20 pm EDT 04/02/18 | |
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| But Disney is a little different than other producers. There are a few plays that I wonder about like no mans land with Stewart and mckellen | |
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| re: i don't think Aladdin actually announced. | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 12:34 pm EDT 04/03/18 | |
| In reply to: i don't think Aladdin actually announced. - dramedy 08:44 pm EDT 04/02/18 | |
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| Disney is different. My recollection is that King David and Newsies announced their recoupment in the conventional manner. I think Suskin in either his books or columns reported the recoupment of Beauty and the Beast, The Lion King, and Aida. I don't know if he still is involved in recoupment research. In any case you are right that Aladdin has never announced. However, I have no doubt that after over 4 years averaging $1.496 million plus per week (in addition to a blockbuster tour) Aladdin has recouped. Regarding the 2013 revival of No Man's Land, I didn't see it and don't remember much about its grosses. When a play recoups at the Cort, it's usually considered an event and gets covered a lot in the press. There was considerable hoopla when You're Welcome, America; Fences; A View from the Bridge; and Fish and the Dark recouped so I'm guessing that No Man's Land didn't. |
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| re: i don't think Aladdin actually announced. | |
| Posted by: ryhog 12:20 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
| In reply to: re: i don't think Aladdin actually announced. - BroadwayTonyJ 12:34 pm EDT 04/03/18 | |
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| Using the word "recoupment" in connection with Disney (or any show wholly produced by a corporation) is gibberish. | |
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| re: i don't think Aladdin actually announced. | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 04:19 pm EDT 04/03/18 | |
| In reply to: re: i don't think Aladdin actually announced. - BroadwayTonyJ 12:34 pm EDT 04/03/18 | |
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| "My recollection is that King David and Newsies announced their recoupment in the conventional manner." KING DAVID? Do you mean the production that was done for six performances in 1997 to reopen the New Amsterdam? |
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| re: i don't think Aladdin actually announced. | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 05:49 pm EDT 04/03/18 | |
| In reply to: re: i don't think Aladdin actually announced. - Michael_Portantiere 04:19 pm EDT 04/03/18 | |
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| Yes. 6 performances and 3 previews. Variety announced that it had recouped its investment shortly after it closed. The operating costs must have been minimal -- it was a concert. King David did receive a cast recording, which I purchased at the time. I haven't listened to it in ages, but I may pull it out today for the hell of it. | |
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| re: i don't think Aladdin actually announced. | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 03:36 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
| In reply to: re: i don't think Aladdin actually announced. - BroadwayTonyJ 05:49 pm EDT 04/03/18 | |
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| "Yes. 6 performances and 3 previews. Variety announced that it had recouped its investment shortly after it closed. The operating costs must have been minimal -- it was a concert. " I don't doubt you, but that is very surprising. I don't remember what the ticket prices were, but regardless, I can't imagine how it could recoup over so short a run. It may have been a concert, but it was quite an elaborate one, as I recall, with a large cast. Perhaps they were able to keep costs down by writing the contracts along the lines of an Encores! show? |
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| re: i don't think Aladdin actually announced. | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 04:22 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
| In reply to: re: i don't think Aladdin actually announced. - Michael_Portantiere 03:36 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
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| Variety did describe it as an Encores-type show. I believe the tickets may have been $75. If they sold out all 9 performances, 1727 x 9 = 15,543 x 75 = $1,165,725.00 -- I guess recoupment theoretically would be possible. | |
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| re: i don't think Aladdin actually announced. | |
| Posted by: ryhog 10:34 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
| In reply to: re: i don't think Aladdin actually announced. - BroadwayTonyJ 04:22 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
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| Apropos of what I said earlier about recoupment being gibberish for Disney, this is the explication. What expenses were offset (and not) against revenue? Like not many of the big ticket ones. | |
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| re: i don't think Aladdin actually announced. | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 03:57 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
| In reply to: re: i don't think Aladdin actually announced. - Michael_Portantiere 03:36 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
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| I don't know. Back then I used to subscribe to Variety. Like a true theatre nerd, I used to save the theatre section from each week. I always highlighted articles that reported that various Broadway shows had recouped. I know King David was supposed to be a fill-in show until The Lion King was ready. I knew it was a short run -- I'm not sure if I realized at the time that it only ran for 9 shows. I do know that its recoupment was announced in Variety. | |
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| re: i don't think Aladdin actually announced. | |
| Posted by: Ann 04:14 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
| In reply to: re: i don't think Aladdin actually announced. - BroadwayTonyJ 03:57 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
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| Link | Maybe this was the article |
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| re: i don't think Aladdin actually announced. | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 04:36 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
| In reply to: re: i don't think Aladdin actually announced. - Ann 04:14 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
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| That is definitely one of the articles I remember reading in the theatre section I had clipped out for that week. I believe there was an earlier very brief one -- probably a paragraph or just a few sentences referring to King David. I tried googling and couldn't find it. I actually saved the theatre sections of Variety for about 20 years, but finally had to discard them. Thanks for finding that article. | |
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