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| Posted by: Chazwaza 03:16 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
| In reply to: its the only show still playing from that season - dramedy 01:24 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
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| It's kind of a terrible show, I must say. A worthwhile message, but really not a great show at all... I was shocked at how lazy the writing is in the book and score both. Glad it keeps people employed... but I wish it were better. Though maybe if it were better it wouldn't appeal to so many people. |
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| Was the Trumpism intended? | |
| Posted by: BestFriend 07:10 am EDT 04/05/18 | |
| In reply to: sad... - Chazwaza 03:16 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
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| That’s one opinion. I know it’s hard for some people to get why others don’t agree. I think the condescending Trumpism (“sad”) captures why: The public and award voters liked Kinky Boots better because of its generosity of spirit, as well as wit and panache. By contrast, its competitor oozed an aura of “we’re better than others” smugness that some people obviously thought quite witty, but most people found angry and condescending. Those who find that clubby, “we’re better than others” attitude thrilling can’t understand why everyone doesn’t want to join. But obviously most people didn’t. |
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| re: Was the Trumpism intended? | |
| Posted by: ukpaul 07:33 am EDT 04/05/18 | |
| In reply to: Was the Trumpism intended? - BestFriend 07:10 am EDT 04/05/18 | |
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| Matilda in the UK is not what you say, it’s seen as an intelligent family show with heart. Kinky Boots is product, manufactured without any feel for location, like a corporate brand. The score for Kinky Boots may well be the worst to win a Tony, unmemorable songs, terrible lyrics. Both shows are still running here in the UK but the more acerbic Mstilda is a better fit here than the bland comfort food of Kinky Boots. As fir Trump - what? Is it because he is anti-intellectual and that goes against Matilda’s message? |
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| re: Was the Trumpism intended? | |
| Posted by: BestFriend 08:31 am EDT 04/05/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Was the Trumpism intended? - ukpaul 07:33 am EDT 04/05/18 | |
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| I guess the Olivier voters must've missed the memo. As for the Trumpism, I was referring both to the use of the word "Sad" (see: Twitter) and responding to a question about why things played out as they did. A sense of clubby superiority that feels acerbicly witty in the Empire's capitol can read as smug in the revolutionary provinces. As to product, I thought Kinky Boots was based on a true UK story. From over here, the news looks like folks in London might sometimes miss a sense of what's going on in location in Northampton... |
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| re: Was the Trumpism intended? | |
| Posted by: ukpaul 02:11 pm EDT 04/05/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Was the Trumpism intended? - BestFriend 08:31 am EDT 04/05/18 | |
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| Matilda is clubby superiority? Sorry, but no. Not in any sane universe. As for Empire, are you referring to something seventy plus years ago and that nobody clings onto anymore? Well, apart from a few rabid right wingers anyway. I know Northampton well, my sister lives near there and also am not a Londoner at all. The show doesn’t even read as England, never mind Northampton. Matilda doesn’t discount in the West End whilst Kinky Boots is always at TKTS with heavy reductions. As such it looks as though we voted a different way (although Russian interference is one thing that seemingly still unites us). |
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| re: Was the Trumpism intended? | |
| Posted by: BestFriend 08:49 am EDT 04/05/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Was the Trumpism intended? - BestFriend 08:31 am EDT 04/05/18 | |
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| PS I know it might seem disorienting for me to equate dumping on Kinky Boots with Trumpism - some folks parse those categories separately. But the common element to which I am drawing attention is an exaggerated sense of "us versus them, we're better than they are" tribal superiority. That's quintessentially Trumpian. It can also make self-enamorment with one's own self-proclaimed acerbic wit, asserted and broadcast over and over, a real turn off. I myself find it quite doltish, and not the kind of thing truly witty people need to do. To me made Matilda, not Kinky Boots, a complete and utter bore. I just think that's what happened. Maybe someone else has a better analysis (oh wait - let me guess: the hoi polloi theatre-going public and award voters are just too stupid). |
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| re: sad... | |
| Posted by: PurpleMoney 09:23 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
| In reply to: sad... - Chazwaza 03:16 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
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| Kinky Boots is the show. Matilda good but not worth a Tony for best. | |
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| re: sad... | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 05:28 am EDT 04/05/18 | |
| In reply to: re: sad... - PurpleMoney 09:23 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
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| What an incisive observation, clearly communicated. | |
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| Posted by: NewtonUK 04:52 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
| In reply to: sad... - Chazwaza 03:16 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
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| The film was so much better | |
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| Posted by: mikem 06:03 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
| In reply to: re: sad... - NewtonUK 04:52 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
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| Kinky Boots's prolonged success is a puzzle to me. There are many shows that are huge hits that I personally don't love, but I can understand why they're so popular. In general, they're based on popular source material, the score is made of popular hits, or they're just really well-written. Kinky Boots is amiable enough, but it's now one of the 30 longest-running musicals on Broadway of all time. And I don't really have a sense of why. | |
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| Agreed | |
| Posted by: HadriansMall 12:11 am EDT 04/05/18 | |
| In reply to: re: sad... - mikem 06:03 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
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| I finally got around to seeing it just a few weeks ago and, while I enjoyed it, I cannot for the life of me remember one song from the score. Even all these years later I still remember "The Crimson Kiss" from the stinker that was LESTAT. I definitely don't get the success of this one. Fun but a lot of equally middling shows have closed much sooner and with far fewer accolades. Just proves that there really isn't a sure-fire formula for Broadway success. | |
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