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| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 08:05 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
| In reply to: re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season - summertheater 07:36 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
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| Have you read the play? Do you know anything about it aside from the blurb in the press release? | |
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| re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season | |
| Posted by: summertheater 08:17 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
| In reply to: re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season - Singapore/Fling 08:05 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
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| No, I am just going by the description as it appears to be an ideology that only the far-left will agree with. Before the reviews come out, the description is all that most people I know read before deciding whether or not to purchase tickets. This is as opposed to the wonderful play "Admissions" which I loved and which flew by. That show presented both sides of an ideological debate, so as not to turn off a large swath of ticketbuyers. Shows should encourage us to think and view both sides of an argument, not be propaganda for either the far-left or far-right. |
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| re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 12:28 am EDT 04/05/18 | |
| In reply to: re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season - summertheater 08:17 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
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| The play promises to humanize immigrants. Where do you see any ideology beyond that? I can imagine that the far-right would be upset by a play that says DREAMers are human beings, but I hope that most of New York would still be open to that possibility. | |
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| re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season | |
| Posted by: summertheater 07:41 am EDT 04/05/18 | |
| In reply to: re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season - Singapore/Fling 12:28 am EDT 04/05/18 | |
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| Without getting into too much detail - People in this country believe there is a big difference between screening immigrants like we've been doing, and allowing any immigrant to sneak in unscreened. Nobody is against immigrants, especially in the big melting pot of NYC. It's similar to: do we screen bags before entering a theater, or do we screen people before boarding an airplane? People need to be consistent in their ideology. People should either be for all three, or against all three. |
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| re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 12:06 pm EDT 04/05/18 | |
| In reply to: re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season - summertheater 07:41 am EDT 04/05/18 | |
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| Congratulations on a wonderful pivot. I had how you can immediately know the ideological content of a play you haven't seen purely by a few sentences of a press release, and instead you talked about screening people as if they were bags. While that may speak to my suggestion that humanizing immigrants is threatening to some, I wonder if it speaks more to your reaction to anything that pushes against a narrative of America as a Christian, native-born, gun-loving nation (to include your recent rants against Playwrights Horizons programming of plays that rather tamely explore the function of organized religion and the question of how a school shooting affects children and adults in a small town). If depoliticized fare like "This Flat Earth" is your idea of far-left theater, than I think you have an unreliable barometer for what stories are being told. |
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| re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season | |
| Posted by: summertheater 01:18 pm EDT 04/05/18 | |
| In reply to: re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season - Singapore/Fling 12:06 pm EDT 04/05/18 | |
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| I'm not speaking about what I personally feel. I'm asking if it's wise for a theater to present a work so far-left or so far-right that they turn off a huge percent of ticket buyers. Broadway shows don't do this, but these days, off-Broadway shows don't seem to have a problem with it. With the number of off-Broadway companies closing within the past year, you'd think theaters would be on their hands and knees begging to get more people to come into their buildings, not turning away huge numbers of them with radical ideology (far-left or far-right). |
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| re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season | |
| Posted by: ryhog 01:49 pm EDT 04/05/18 | |
| In reply to: re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season - summertheater 01:18 pm EDT 04/05/18 | |
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| wow. actually wanting off-B theatres to act more like Broadway is so far from what I want them to do that it's mind-blowing. Seriously? and on the substance, I can't think of a single off-B company ) that I would call radical ideologically. As others have said, based on your take on certain recent shows, I think your barometer is way off kilter. and I second the question about these theatres closing: do tell. Give us a list of what's closed and, while you are at it, what has opened. |
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| re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 01:33 pm EDT 04/05/18 | |
| In reply to: re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season - summertheater 01:18 pm EDT 04/05/18 | |
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| A well-established, long-standing company like NYTW probably has a pretty clear idea of what their supporters and audience are interested in seeing. If there are people who want something else, well, that's why we have so many theatre companies. There's no reason for every small (ish) company in NYC to attempt to please every member of the theatregoing public with every show. That, again, is why we have so many different companies. | |
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| re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season | |
| Posted by: Ann 01:22 pm EDT 04/05/18 | |
| In reply to: re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season - summertheater 01:18 pm EDT 04/05/18 | |
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| I'd prefer they choose works they want to produce, rather than choosing works that will sell more tickets. It's a give and take. I do think they know their audience, though. How many Off-Broadway companies did close in the past year? (and how many is typical - they do seem to come and go) |
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| re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season | |
| Posted by: summertheater 01:42 pm EDT 04/05/18 | |
| In reply to: re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season - Ann 01:22 pm EDT 04/05/18 | |
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| The 3 most recent off-Broadway company closings I can think of are TACT (after their current show), the Pearl Theater Company, and Musicals Tonight. From the dire fundraising email sent out today by Theater 80, it sounds like that theater may be on the brink of closing too. | |
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| re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 10:50 pm EDT 04/05/18 | |
| In reply to: re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season - summertheater 01:42 pm EDT 04/05/18 | |
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| All four of those companies occupy very different real estate than NYTW. While technically all are Off-Broadway companies, the ones that you cite are small, predominantly itinerant companies that are engaging an older audience and style of theater making. The Pearl is the only company that even remotely resembled NYTW, and they failed because they made poor real estate choices and weren't able to reach a younger, more diverse audience. If they had managed to attract the NYTW audience and pay for their expensive midtown theater, they probably would still be in business. |
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| re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season | |
| Posted by: ryhog 10:45 am EDT 04/05/18 | |
| In reply to: re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season - summertheater 07:41 am EDT 04/05/18 | |
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| This discussion strikes me as well beyond this website. What isn't beyond it is the notion-one I would have thought close to universally accepted-that artists (and arts presenters) get to articulate whatever point of view they wish in their art. You, otoh, seem to be thinking arts institutions need to be objective. That's anathema to the essence of art. (And if you don't like the prevailing point of view, make (or at least support) your own art, or the point of view with which you align.) But aside from the freedom of expression aspect, objective art strikes me as boring art. | |
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| re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season | |
| Posted by: drummergirl 08:56 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
| In reply to: re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season - summertheater 08:17 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
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| I probably shouldn't weigh in here -- and I'm sure I'll regret it -- but artists should present their art as they see fit, and audiences can then decide whether or not they want to go experience it. Art isn't journalism. Really enjoyed Admissions. |
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| re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season | |
| Posted by: dbdbdb 10:42 am EDT 04/05/18 | |
| In reply to: re: New York Theatre Workshop Announces Complete 2018/19 Season - drummergirl 08:56 pm EDT 04/04/18 | |
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| Longtime lurker here. I'd suggest that the overlap between Roseanne fans and NYTW subscribers may be so small as to be insignificant. | |
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