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| re: Some sources call "Runaways" a revue | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 01:02 am EDT 04/07/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Some sources call "Runaways" a revue - WaymanWong 12:12 am EDT 04/07/18 | |
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| If we consider novellas to be a subset of novels, then we might consider revues to be a subset of musicals. But the converse would not generally be true with novels and novellas. We might consider Breakfast at Tiffany's or A Christmas Carol to be novels, but we wouldn't consider Great Expectations or The Golden Bowl to be novellas. So we might consider As Thousands Cheer or Scrambled Feet or even Side by Side by Sondheim to be musicals, but we wouldn't consider Carousel or even Hello, Dolly! to be revues. There have been shows that have truly straddled the line, for instance, some of Irving Berlin's early shows apparently did. For me Runaways does not straddle the line. | |
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| Novellas are not a subset of novels | |
| Posted by: BigM 04:28 pm EDT 04/07/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Some sources call "Runaways" a revue - AlanScott 01:02 am EDT 04/07/18 | |
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| They're shorter, a different thing. Just like one-acts are not a subset of full-length plays. | |
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| re: Novellas are not a subset of novels | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 05:50 pm EDT 04/07/18 | |
| In reply to: Novellas are not a subset of novels - BigM 04:28 pm EDT 04/07/18 | |
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| That's why I wrote "If we consider . . . ." I didn't write that I considered them to be a subset of novels. :) Actually, I think the analogy is an altogether bad one. Even last night, I thought it was a bad one. It was late, and I was just trying to come up with something that would sound good, even if it didn't stand up to inspection. I just don't think Runaways is a revue. And in general I don't think that shows like Ain't Misbehavin', Side by Side by Sondheim, A Grand Night for Singing and Smokey Joe's Cafe should be considered musicals for award purposes. If we more often saw the old-fashioned type of revue exemplified by shows like The Band Wagon, As Thousands Cheer, Lend an Ear and the New Faces shows, I might think that those should be considered musicals for awards purposes. When it comes to Runaways, though I didn't like it much way back when at the Public, I think there would be absolutely no reason not to think it a musical for awards purposes (or even a musical not for awards purposes). In my mind (or at least in my surely imperfect memory of what it was like), it's a musical. Obviously, it doesn't tell a straightforward or fairly straightforward story in a straightforward or fairly straightforward way as Wonderful Town, West Side Story, Wicked and Adding Machine do, but it's a musical. That's really all I wanted to say. As usual, I've used a lot of words to say something simple (or at least that could be said with fewer words). |
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| re: Novellas are not a subset of novels | |
| Posted by: ryhog 04:49 pm EDT 04/07/18 | |
| In reply to: Novellas are not a subset of novels - BigM 04:28 pm EDT 04/07/18 | |
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| I don't have an opinion on novellas, but one acts are most certainly a subset of plays. A fair proportion of Tony (and other) award winning plays fall in that subset. | |
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| re: Novellas are not a subset of novels | |
| Posted by: BigM 05:54 pm EDT 04/07/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Novellas are not a subset of novels - ryhog 04:49 pm EDT 04/07/18 | |
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| Yes, of course they are. They're just not a subset of FULL-LENGTH plays, but something separate. | |
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| re: Novellas are not a subset of novels | |
| Posted by: ryhog 06:22 pm EDT 04/07/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Novellas are not a subset of novels - BigM 05:54 pm EDT 04/07/18 | |
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| So, as an example, Indecent is not a full length play and also a one act play? If you were referring to short plays, then yes of course I'd agree. I just think these analogies are faltering. |
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| re: Some sources call "Runaways" a revue | |
| Posted by: ryhog 09:59 am EDT 04/07/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Some sources call "Runaways" a revue - AlanScott 01:02 am EDT 04/07/18 | |
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| FWIW, the League treats revues as a subset of musicals. And its designations for the shows you mention are in accord with yours (meaning Runaways is not a revue). I have always been surprised that there is no designation for jukebox musicals which, to me, is at least as organic a distinction as the revue, if not more so. |
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