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| Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW | |
| Posted by: summertheater 09:40 pm EDT 05/13/18 | |
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| I would think that a non-profit organization would try to keep its costs in check, especially since many nonprofits are kept afloat due to donors who want to be sure their money is being spent wisely. According to the publicly available Form 990 (2015) for NYTW, two "key" employees of NYTW include: the Managing Director of NYTW who was paid $143,501 and the Artistic Director who was paid $157,327. I wonder if those making generous contributions are aware of these two salaries. Meanwhile, they list salaries/other compensation of $2,434,054 and 292 employees employed during CY 2015. Taking a straight average, the 292 employees are paid $8,336 per year. Why would anyone want to live on that when they could make more money at McDonald's? |
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| re: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW | |
| Posted by: IvyLeagueDropout 09:32 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
| In reply to: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW - summertheater 09:40 pm EDT 05/13/18 | |
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| I have no specific opinion on the salaries listed here. But I will say that it IS absurd how many people become rich working for/ at/ with or running "not for profit" institutions. A lot of staff in or related to the arts, public broadcasting, colleges, charities, etc make a great deal of money. I don't think it's right for an institution to be treated as "non-profit" when some people can get super rich doing that. I am not arguing that everyone (or even most) of the staff at such places are way over paid. Merely, it is hard for me to justify an institution having tax-exempt status when their CEOs, college presidents, head coaches, etc make 7 figures. Or Children's Television Workshop being non-profit while seeing all the branded toys and media they sell (or sold by others with CTW getting a percentage). It makes me angry. Especially the college salaries. | |
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| re: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 09:39 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW - IvyLeagueDropout 09:32 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
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| The President at the non-profit college where I teach has a yearly compensation package that is roughly 100 times what I get paid for teaching one theater class as an adjunct (and I don't get benefits or even a guaranteed contract). And her compensation package was cut in half from the previous President! But hey, ten more years and my student loans for theater grad school go away, so that's nice. |
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| SHOCKINGLY high? | |
| Posted by: Teacher64 04:27 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
| In reply to: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW - summertheater 09:40 pm EDT 05/13/18 | |
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| I don't think there is anything "shocking" about someone in NYC earning $140,00 to $160,000 a year. In fact, I would consider that to be a middle class income in New York. | |
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| re: SHOCKINGLY high? | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 06:47 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
| In reply to: SHOCKINGLY high? - Teacher64 04:27 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
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| For people who work in non-profit theater (including actors, directors, and writers), that is a shockingly high salary. | |
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| re: SHOCKINGLY high? | |
| Posted by: MikeR 11:35 am EDT 05/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: SHOCKINGLY high? - Singapore/Fling 06:47 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
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| It doesn't seem quite so shocking when you consider that Andre Bishop made over $700,000 in FY2016, Todd Haimes earned over $350,000 in FY2015 (the most recent data I could find), Lynn Meadow and Barry Grove both made around $550,000 in FY2016, and Oskar Eustis made over $500,000 in FY2016. | |
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| A ridiculous post | |
| Posted by: swoozie 01:28 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
| In reply to: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW - summertheater 09:40 pm EDT 05/13/18 | |
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| This is a ridiculous post. Dividing $2.4M in salaries by 292 employees when a large sum are part-time seasonal makes no sense. It's impossible to surmise the average salary is $8K per year with the information of the organization listed in the 990. Clearly the OP has an issue with NYTW and is stirring a pot they know nothing about. | |
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| Serious question for moderators | |
| Posted by: AC126748 01:16 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
| In reply to: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW - summertheater 09:40 pm EDT 05/13/18 | |
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| Why is a thread like this, so clearly made in bad faith and meant to suggest something untoward, allowed to remain on the board? | |
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| Oh, I dunno -- I think you're ignoring their probative value | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 05:35 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
| In reply to: Serious question for moderators - AC126748 01:16 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
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| "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." | |
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| re: Serious question for moderators | |
| Posted by: seenenuf 04:53 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
| In reply to: Serious question for moderators - AC126748 01:16 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
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| A day without a "summer theatre" rant, is like a day without sunshine. That's why. |
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| re: Serious question for moderators | |
| Posted by: summertheater 03:16 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
| In reply to: Serious question for moderators - AC126748 01:16 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
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| Downright chilling that censorship of ideas is being proposed here. We must read and reread 1984. I'm asking the question why all other employees are being paid so little compared to two key employees. Whether it's 8000 per year or 25000 per year, it's significantly less than that of the two key employees. I honestly don't know why these employees stand for this when it's not a living wage and this is a nonprofit. | |
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| re: Serious question for moderators | |
| Last Edit: Singapore/Fling 06:52 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 06:50 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Serious question for moderators - summertheater 03:16 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
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| And if you were asking that question about *all* non-profits, you would actually be investigating the huge problem of wage inequity in the American theater. But as you onight target your current betw noir, it's disingenuous to hide behind some sort of intellectual integrity. | |
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| re: Serious question for moderators | |
| Posted by: BruceinIthaca 04:29 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Serious question for moderators - summertheater 03:16 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
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| It's not censorship to remove incorrect information presented as facts. It is also the case that this board is not a public entity--the owners have the right to remove or block anyone they want (and not to remove posts some find offensive, if that is their choice). You need to reread 1984 yourself, if you don't understand the difference. | |
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| re: Serious question for moderators | |
| Posted by: summertheater 05:21 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Serious question for moderators - BruceinIthaca 04:29 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
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| Nothing incorrect was posted. Read the Form 990. Calculate an average. I disclosed my methodology how I calculated the average since that is the best information one has by viewing the Form 990. Even if somehow a weighted average were guesstimated to show a fulltime salary guess of 25000 or higher, the key point is most people are not making anywhere near what the key two employees are making. All sentences posted were correct and properly disclosed. And the key takeaway is correct. Most theater employees are sadly not being paid a living wage in uber expensive NYC. I'm trying to call attention to the problem so it can hopefully be corrected. | |
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| re: Serious question for moderators | |
| Last Edit: whereismikeyfl 03:58 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
| Posted by: whereismikeyfl 03:54 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Serious question for moderators - summertheater 03:16 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
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| The dishonesty of what you are claiming is what people object to, not you P.O.V. You conflate full-time, part-time, and independent contractors in your salary figures so that you can get a lower average salary, which does not reflect reality. Not all of these people are covered under that figure. You know that, but not everyone here does. (The figure I calculated was around $63,000 as average employee salary there--not $8,000!) If you really were interested in understanding the situation, you might ask how people in non-profits feel about their wages. But if you did, you might get the response that like the two key employees, they are willing to work for less than they would make in the private sector. This trolling thing you do may be just a game to you, but most of us do not like seeing you play around with info about our livelihoods for your amusement. |
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| Link | Charity Navagator Rating for NYTW |
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| re: Serious question for moderators | |
| Posted by: drummergirl 04:59 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Serious question for moderators - whereismikeyfl 03:54 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
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| This is fascinating: I often look at CN when researching other organizations, but it (foolishly) never occurred to me that theatre organizations would obviously be included too. Thanks for the link and the education! | |
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| NYTW is completely transparent about their financials | |
| Posted by: manchurch03104 11:48 am EDT 05/14/18 | |
| In reply to: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW - summertheater 09:40 pm EDT 05/13/18 | |
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| Its most recent annual report, audited financials, and 990 are posted on their website: https://www.nytw.org/about/financial-information/ This isn't about costs; this is about leadership. |
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| re: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW | |
| Posted by: MikeR 11:31 am EDT 05/14/18 | |
| In reply to: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW - summertheater 09:40 pm EDT 05/13/18 | |
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| You're cute. Now do André Bishop and Todd Haimes. |
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| re: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW | |
| Posted by: mikem 11:19 pm EDT 05/13/18 | |
| In reply to: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW - summertheater 09:40 pm EDT 05/13/18 | |
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| These salaries seem high compared to some others, but they are actually lower than I would have thought for that kind of work. A Broadway stage manager of a musical or a Broadway conductor at union minimum is making more than each of the two highest-paid employees at NYTW. | |
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| re: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW | |
| Posted by: 37Rubydog 11:02 pm EDT 05/13/18 | |
| In reply to: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW - summertheater 09:40 pm EDT 05/13/18 | |
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| As a long-time financial analyst with good knowledge of non-profit salaries - reading a form 990 only gives one information on the top 5-10 salaries.....and, yes, the top few people will likely be well compensated- although nowhere near what they might earn at a commercial venue. Before you start judging - start with NYTW's overall budget -- and don't look at one year in isolation. NYTW doesn't only generate money from donors - but also subscriptions, private and government grants and ticket sales.....sometimes an organization is fortunate enough to hit upon either a particularly generous, long-term donor....or, even better, a successful production that has a life beyond its non-profit run....In NYTW's case, both Peter and the Starcatcher and Hadestown will continue to bring revenues to the organization for many years. Maybe not the Hamiltonian revenues the Public earns....or the evergreen funds that City Center gets from Chicago. It is the responsibility of the managing director and artistic director to do their best to not only seek out and mount the most interesting productions, but also to find those ever elusive funding sources. Those are big jobs and they are 24/7 365. I can't tell you how many times I have been to see something at the Public - be it in any one of its many venues - to see Oskar Eustis sitting in the audience for at least part, if not all of the performance. Now to the other 292 people - many are seasonal, part-time, or production-specific personnel....some front of the house, some back of the house, some contractors.... Many of these people likely have more than their NYTW gig. Taking a straight average is horribly misleading math... and does a disservice to non-profit organizations and perhaps demeans the 292 people who are making these productions happen. |
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| re: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 12:33 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW - 37Rubydog 11:02 pm EDT 05/13/18 | |
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| Everything you write is true and fair, and the situation at NYTW is fairly standard among NYC non-profits, in that the two highest positions earn six figure salaries, and many people on the payroll are doing seasonal, part-time labor, such as building scenery, running crew, doing phone banks, etc. At the same time, every non-profit I've known pays its full-time staff fairly low wages compared to the top salaries that go to leadership. I can't speak to what Literary or Development get paid at NYTW, but I'd be surprised if they get even a third of Jim's salary. Those jobs in their own way are intensive, working long hours and weekends, and their workis equally important to the success of the institution. While summertheater's post is motivated by their misplaced campaign against liberal theaters that hire Robert O'Hara, the post does point to the larger realities of inequities in the non-profit sector, which reflect the largest schism between workers and executives in America. Perhaps NYTW is doing a better job of fulfilling their left-wing politics than other theaters (helped by their commercial successes, although it's been a while since they had a transfer, and enhancement funds have tended to diminish long-term returns on commercial hits), but we should all be aware of how little the hardworking employees of our favorite non-profits are being paid. |
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| Very informative post - thank you nmi | |
| Posted by: Ann 07:55 am EDT 05/14/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW - 37Rubydog 11:02 pm EDT 05/13/18 | |
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| re: shocking? ROTFLMAO | |
| Posted by: SQ 10:35 pm EDT 05/13/18 | |
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| You may be surprised as what some people in your own neck of the woods make in terms of salaries! . And we see in your reply what your agenda is with regards to NYTW. |
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| re: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW | |
| Posted by: wisebear 10:15 pm EDT 05/13/18 | |
| In reply to: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW - summertheater 09:40 pm EDT 05/13/18 | |
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| Okay, this time I’m sure your post is not satire. Are you for real? I hardly know where to begin. Do you really think a prominent theater company in New York City can hire talented leaders for less than $150k per year? Seriously? And you really believe people are working for $8,000 a year? It never occurred to you that the figures you cite include ushers, bartenders, performance box office staff, and many other part-time employees? You need to get real if you want to be taken seriously. Your posts are a joke to me. |
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| re: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW | |
| Posted by: bmc 11:04 am EDT 05/14/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW - wisebear 10:15 pm EDT 05/13/18 | |
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| play nice, dear children. Let's leave the hostility on the rink at hockey games. | |
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| re: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW | |
| Posted by: Pokernight 12:07 am EDT 05/14/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW - wisebear 10:15 pm EDT 05/13/18 | |
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| ....so when will your group be doing their revival of "Song of the South?" | |
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| What does this mean? | |
| Posted by: portenopete 12:30 am EDT 05/14/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW - Pokernight 12:07 am EDT 05/14/18 | |
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| Elucidate me: what's the connection? | |
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| re: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW | |
| Posted by: whereismikeyfl 10:11 pm EDT 05/13/18 | |
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| I am a fan of your trolling. But this one is not worthy of you. It is more transparently fake than most of what you post. The quote around the work "key" is a step too far. And they lumping in of all employees in the average is too easy to dismiss. Can you do another one instead? |
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| re: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW | |
| Posted by: summertheater 10:31 pm EDT 05/13/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW - whereismikeyfl 10:11 pm EDT 05/13/18 | |
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| The word "key" is taken straight from Form 990. The average of $8,000 means some are making more and some are making less. We can't tell the salaries of the non-key employees from the Form 990, but in total they are $2,434,054 for 292 employees. That's a pretty low number. The word "talented" to describe NYTW's "key" employees listed on the Form 990 is subject to interpretation. On another point, from looking at their upcoming season, some may question whether there is a political litmus test you must pass in order to get your work produced by NYTW. I don't believe that's very welcoming to ALL New Yorkers. Theater should be welcoming to ALL. But in this highly polarized environment, only one side of the political spectrum is produced over and over and over again. |
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| re: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW | |
| Posted by: BruceinIthaca 02:49 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
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| Well, I doubt the Passion Play at Oberammmergau felt very welcoming to Jews, so there's that.... | |
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| re: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 12:46 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
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| You have never backed up your accusations of NYTW's season being super left leaning, and you didn't express a problem with them until they hired Robert O'Hara. Just admit you hate the guy and leave it at that. | |
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| re: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW | |
| Posted by: summertheater 03:16 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW - Singapore/Fling 12:46 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
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| Do you honestly believe their show Sanctuary City will present both sides 50 50 ? | |
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| re: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 07:12 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
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| Based on their blurb, I think "Sanctuary City" will present immigrants as human beings whose lives have merit. Is that a one sided proposition? Once we have seen it, we'll have a better sense of its politics, but for now we only know that it intends to explore the humanity of immigrants. More troubling than your advance judgement, you offer a poor metric from which to evaluate a play. First you demand that a play have no political or humanitarian point of view, then you declare that any play which does (or threatens to) express a point of view as being radical left. You waste no opportunity to decry censorship, and yet you're asking that playwrights and theaters censor themselves in order to conform to your political ou're social point of view. Of course, leftist politics in the theater i's nothing new. The theater has a long history of using the stage as a place to appeal on behalf of those who society rejects or abuses, and NYTW has always been a left-of-center theater - but not oneas radicalas though imagine. You may disagree with their politics, but you may not invent an agenda for them based on nothing but your own suspicions and sensitivities. |
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| re: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW | |
| Posted by: drummergirl 05:56 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
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| I'm going to regret jumping into the fray: but why does any show have to offer "two sides" of a story? It's not journalism. Life is short, friend. I don't worry about writers, directors, actors or theatre companies I don't like. I just stop supporting their work. | |
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| Posted by: MikeR 11:42 am EDT 05/15/18 | |
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| Yes. This. There is no "fairness doctrine" for theater. Playwrights have no obligation to present anything other than the story they wish to tell. If "summertheater" does not wish to see or hear a particular story, he should vote with his wallet and stay home. | |
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| Posted by: 37Rubydog 11:34 am EDT 05/14/18 | |
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| If memory serves, on form 990, "key" does not equate to importance....it usually refers to the top 5-10 highest paid employees/board members....it is an accounting-based instruction - not a judgement call. | |
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| re: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW | |
| Posted by: whereismikeyfl 12:42 am EDT 05/14/18 | |
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| You just made it worse. You put quotes around "key" to imply that the term was misused, and now you pretended that you did not mean it that way but are just quoting. The idea that a theater should be welcoming to all political beliefs is consistent with the character of "summertheater," but you introduced it too late to be convincing as a sincere concern. |
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| Posted by: JohnPopa 10:08 am EDT 05/14/18 | |
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| I agree that the reintroduction of the political bias in play choices feels forced here, as if 'summertheater' realized this post wasn't as inflammatory as usual and wanted to move back to a well-tried piece of bait. | |
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| Posted by: whereismikeyfl 02:27 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
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| If you wanted to collaborate, I think we could come up with better summertheater posts. | |
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| Posted by: schlepper 02:50 pm EDT 05/14/18 | |
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| "If you wanted to collaborate, I think we could come up with better summertheater posts." It wouldn't be that hard to do. It seems that they're all variations on a theme. I was hoping it would be a series of two, or three at most... I guess art isn't easy! |
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| re: Shockingly high salaries paid to "key" employees of non-profit theaters such as NYTW | |
| Posted by: Seth Christenfeld (tabula-rasa@verizon.net) 11:20 pm EDT 05/13/18 | |
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| On another point, from looking at their upcoming season, some may question whether there is a political litmus test you must pass in order to get your work produced by NYTW. You are the only person who questions that. Seth, wondering if it's lonely on Contrarian Mountain |
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| Posted by: Bwayguy 10:05 pm EDT 05/13/18 | |
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| You're joking right? $150k salaries are "shocking"? To the leaders of the organization? Get with the times. That's quite modest. | |
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