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| People are falling, getting hurt by cursed aisle at ‘Harry Potter and the Cursed Child’ | |
| Posted by: bwayjoey 01:30 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
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| "The design of the aisles in the theater has caused a number of audience members to either trip or fall, leading to scrapes, bruises and, worse, several busted bones." Be careful out there! |
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| You posters are missing the point about people falling at Harry Potter | |
| Posted by: Peony 12:18 am EDT 05/17/18 | |
| In reply to: People are falling, getting hurt by cursed aisle at ‘Harry Potter and the Cursed Child’ - bwayjoey 01:30 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
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| You’re missing the point about people falling at Harry potter The people are falling because the production reconstructed the theater to make the aisle mis-shapen and more Potter-like, which resulted in steps that are not properly spaced, and almost force people to lose their balance. Many people have been injured, some with broken bones requiring hospitalizations. This is a flagrant disregard for the safety of the audience. If this occurred in a showcase house (99 seats), the Fire Dept would close the show down. This is outrageous. See how you feel with a couple of broken ribs (that result from a walk down the aisle to a seat in a theater.) |
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| re: Are posters are missing the point about people falling at Harry Potter??? | |
| Posted by: Dale 06:40 pm EDT 05/17/18 | |
| In reply to: You posters are missing the point about people falling at Harry Potter - Peony 12:18 am EDT 05/17/18 | |
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| Don't exit your seat when the house lights are off!!!!! | |
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| re: You posters are missing the point about people falling at Harry Potter | |
| Posted by: Snowgrace 09:41 am EDT 05/17/18 | |
| In reply to: You posters are missing the point about people falling at Harry Potter - Peony 12:18 am EDT 05/17/18 | |
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| THANK you! Have to repeat what I wrote at the end of this thread, re how potentially fatal the complications from a fall causing a broken bone (especially hip, shoulder, ribs, or God forbid head)can be, particularly for an elderly person!! | |
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| re: You posters are missing the point about people falling at Harry Potter | |
| Last Edit: gad90210 09:01 am EDT 05/17/18 | |
| Posted by: gad90210 08:57 am EDT 05/17/18 | |
| In reply to: You posters are missing the point about people falling at Harry Potter - Peony 12:18 am EDT 05/17/18 | |
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| What is your source for this information? I find it hard to believe that NYC would allow the theater to reopen after its renovation with a staircase that didn't meet code. Especially in a building built for public congregation, where the stairs would be used to escape quickly from fire or some other event. Also, I don't understand your implication that a smaller theater would be held to a higher standard than one that seats 1,400. That makes no sense to me. I'm seeing the show the weekend after next, and I guess I'll see for myself, unless the Lyric has been closed down by then! |
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| People are falling at Harry Potter, read Joe Dziemianowicz in DAILY NEWS | |
| Posted by: Peony 10:52 am EDT 05/17/18 | |
| In reply to: re: You posters are missing the point about people falling at Harry Potter - gad90210 08:57 am EDT 05/17/18 | |
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| My source is theater critic Joe Dziemianowicz, NEW YORK DAILY NEWS | May 15, 2018 | Here are excerpts: Producers spent $33 million to renovate the Lyric Theatre…and the house is an accident waiting to happen…The design of the aisles in the theater has caused a number of audience members to either trip or fall, leading to scrapes, bruises and, worse, several busted bones. A longtime theater journalist told the Daily News: "I tripped on one of those narrow, shallow steps in the aisle and fell forward. "I caught myself before my head hit the ground, but I scraped my knee and my ankle," the reporter added. "You don't expect little steps like that in the middle of a theater." Joe Dziemianowicz himself: Full disclosure: This reporter also tripped and nearly face-planted while hustling to the rest room at intermission. That aisle could use some therapy of its own. One possible remedy could be adding lighting to indicate the stealthy steps. Wall Street Journal critic Terry Teachout after he fell: "Then I dusted myself off and took a closer look at the steps, which appeared to me to be both too shallow and poorly lit," Teachout said. Veteran reviewer John Simon was hospitalized for three weeks. "I started up the center aisle," he said. "I tripped. I fell backward and broke three ribs." John Rogers, general counsel for the Ambassador Theatre Group, which owns the Lyric, confirmed hearing reports of "one or two falls." Rogers had no comment when asked if changes have been made or are planned to fix the problem. |
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| Link | People are falling, getting hurt by cursed aisle at ‘Harry Potter and the Cursed Child’ |
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| re: People are falling at Harry Potter, read Joe Dziemianowicz in DAILY NEWS | |
| Posted by: schlepper 12:32 pm EDT 05/17/18 | |
| In reply to: People are falling at Harry Potter, read Joe Dziemianowicz in DAILY NEWS - Peony 10:52 am EDT 05/17/18 | |
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| You said "many people are falling", but even your "source" (who freely admits he was "hustling to the rest room at intermission" (likely before the lights had come up)) says it has been "a number of people". It seems like summertheater's special brand of hysteria is becoming contagious on ATC. |
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| re: People are falling at Harry Potter, read Joe Dziemianowicz in DAILY NEWS | |
| Posted by: mikem 01:15 pm EDT 05/17/18 | |
| In reply to: re: People are falling at Harry Potter, read Joe Dziemianowicz in DAILY NEWS - schlepper 12:32 pm EDT 05/17/18 | |
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| From the comments by the fallers that the stairs need to be better lit, I am guessing that a lot of the fallers are going up in the dark. Someone at BWW says that they were there when John Simon got injured, and he got up in the dark in the middle of the show. I think the theater could make an announcement that if you need to get up while the lights are down, don’t forget there are stairs, but they can’t shine more light on the stairs during the performance without that being a distraction to those sitting nearby. |
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| re: People are falling at Harry Potter, read Joe Dziemianowicz in DAILY NEWS | |
| Posted by: FasterTheater 12:19 pm EDT 05/18/18 | |
| In reply to: re: People are falling at Harry Potter, read Joe Dziemianowicz in DAILY NEWS - mikem 01:15 pm EDT 05/17/18 | |
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| I tripped too, and yes it was in the dark, but so what? It's a bizarre attitude to blame the victims. This doesn't happen routinely in other Broadway houses. | |
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| re: People are falling at Harry Potter, read Joe Dziemianowicz in DAILY NEWS | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 12:33 pm EDT 05/18/18 | |
| In reply to: re: People are falling at Harry Potter, read Joe Dziemianowicz in DAILY NEWS - FasterTheater 12:19 pm EDT 05/18/18 | |
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| Hardly any Broadway houses have stairs in the orchestra aisles, so of course people aren't falling on them. If there's a problem with the Lyric's stairs, it's probably more that people don't expect them to be there than a design problem. (Plus running around when they can't see and not looking where they're putting their feet, which, yes, blame the victim, unexpected stairs are rarely a problem if you see them coming.) And it's not Ambassador's or Harry Potter's doing: The Ford/Hilton/Foxwoods/Lyric had stairs in the orchestra before. | |
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| re: People are falling at Harry Potter, read Joe Dziemianowicz in DAILY NEWS | |
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| Posted by: FasterTheater 01:37 pm EDT 05/18/18 | |
| In reply to: re: People are falling at Harry Potter, read Joe Dziemianowicz in DAILY NEWS - sirpupnyc 12:33 pm EDT 05/18/18 | |
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| If people don't expect an architectural feature, and it thus causes injuries, I would say that IS precisely a design problem. If they put glass doors in the exits to the auditorium that people kept bumping into, wouldn't that be a design problem? And it is EXACTLY Ambassador's doing. They've just spent millions of dollars to renovate the place. In any case, I don't remember any articles in the Daily News about ribs being broken at the Ford/Hilton/Foxwoods (except of course on stage in Spider-Man) Sorry, I just don't agree with anything you've just said, including that I was "running around" or that any audience members deserves to have their ribs broken. |
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| re: People are falling,not a new problem | |
| Posted by: henny 02:54 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
| In reply to: People are falling, getting hurt by cursed aisle at ‘Harry Potter and the Cursed Child’ - bwayjoey 01:30 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
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| Happened to me at a preview of RAGTIME. | |
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| The Jelly-Legs Curse! | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 02:26 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
| In reply to: People are falling, getting hurt by cursed aisle at ‘Harry Potter and the Cursed Child’ - bwayjoey 01:30 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
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| It's a thing. | |
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| Too much butterbeer! | |
| Posted by: gad90210 01:48 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
| In reply to: People are falling, getting hurt by cursed aisle at ‘Harry Potter and the Cursed Child’ - bwayjoey 01:30 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
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| Better to stick to the pumpkin juice. | |
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| re: Too much butterbeer! | |
| Posted by: fosse76 05:26 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
| In reply to: Too much butterbeer! - gad90210 01:48 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
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| Butterbeer is a non-alcoholic drink in the book series. | |
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| It's slightly alcoholic | |
| Last Edit: gad90210 07:11 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
| Posted by: gad90210 07:04 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Too much butterbeer! - fosse76 05:26 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
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| It got Winky drunk! I'm sure it would have the same effect on me. http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Butterbeer |
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| re: People are falling, getting hurt by cursed aisle at ‘Harry Potter and the Cursed Child’ | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 01:39 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
| In reply to: People are falling, getting hurt by cursed aisle at ‘Harry Potter and the Cursed Child’ - bwayjoey 01:30 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
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| No doubt many of the fallen are leaving "I was checking my phone and not looking where I was going" out of their stories. Not that the stairs wouldn't be unexpected and might not be under-lit, but I doubt they're completely to blame. |
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| They're not looking at phones -- there's a real hazard | |
| Posted by: Peony 12:20 am EDT 05/17/18 | |
| In reply to: re: People are falling, getting hurt by cursed aisle at ‘Harry Potter and the Cursed Child’ - sirpupnyc 01:39 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
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| You’re missing the point about people falling at Harry potter The people are falling because the production reconstructed the theater to make the aisle mis-shapen and more Potter-like, which resulted in steps that are not properly spaced, and almost force people to lose their balance. Many people have been injured, some with broken bones requiring hospitalizations. This is a flagrant disregard for the safety of the audience. If this occurred in a showcase house (99 seats), the Fire Dept would close the show down. This is outrageous. See how you feel with a couple of broken ribs (that result from a walk down the aisle to a seat in a theater.) |
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| re: They're not looking at phones -- there's a real hazard | |
| Posted by: fosse76 11:31 am EDT 05/17/18 | |
| In reply to: They're not looking at phones -- there's a real hazard - Peony 12:20 am EDT 05/17/18 | |
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| The aisle is not mis-shapen. It is a normal aisle and is no smaller than aisles in other Broadway houses. | |
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| re: They're not looking at phones -- there's a real hazard | |
| Posted by: TKTSVET 10:04 am EDT 05/17/18 | |
| In reply to: They're not looking at phones -- there's a real hazard - Peony 12:20 am EDT 05/17/18 | |
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| I sat in the dress circle and didn't see any evidence at all that the stairs are in some way dangerously constructed. If anything, there was a bit more navigating room, which I assume was added to accommodate the at-your-seat service of drinks and snacks. I am always amazed that more people don't fall in some of the Broadway theaters with steep mezzanines and balconies and no railings. | |
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| re: People are falling, getting hurt by cursed aisle at ‘Harry Potter and the Cursed Child’ | |
| Posted by: mikem 03:51 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
| In reply to: re: People are falling, getting hurt by cursed aisle at ‘Harry Potter and the Cursed Child’ - sirpupnyc 01:39 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
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| Someone at BWW also mentioned that maybe people are hurrying up the aisle in the dark before the lights come up. | |
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| re: People are falling, getting hurt by cursed aisle at ‘Harry Potter and the Cursed Child’ | |
| Posted by: schlepper 01:43 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
| In reply to: re: People are falling, getting hurt by cursed aisle at ‘Harry Potter and the Cursed Child’ - sirpupnyc 01:39 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
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| On the plus side, the 2 "victims" cited are Terry Teachout and John Simon. Karma, anyone? | |
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| re: People are falling, getting hurt by cursed aisle at ‘Harry Potter and the Cursed Child’ | |
| Posted by: bearcat 01:47 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
| In reply to: re: People are falling, getting hurt by cursed aisle at ‘Harry Potter and the Cursed Child’ - schlepper 01:43 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
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| I look forward to reading T Teachout's writings. what's wrong with him? |
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| re: People are falling, getting hurt by cursed aisle at ‘Harry Potter and the Cursed Child’ | |
| Posted by: portenopete 01:51 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
| In reply to: re: People are falling, getting hurt by cursed aisle at ‘Harry Potter and the Cursed Child’ - bearcat 01:47 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
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| Yeah, Teachout is a pretty generous critic on the whole. Certainly not on the level of Simon, who I used to enjoy reading a lot because he laced his meanness with wit. The meanness gradually devoured the wit after awhile. | |
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| re: People are falling, getting hurt by cursed aisle at ‘Harry Potter and the Cursed Child’ | |
| Posted by: Snowgrace 03:51 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
| In reply to: re: People are falling, getting hurt by cursed aisle at ‘Harry Potter and the Cursed Child’ - portenopete 01:51 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
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| If other measures can't be taken to make sure that aisle is safer, a sign should be put in the theatre & ushers stationed to caution people. From someone whose mother broke a hip & faced near fatal complications during hospitalization for replacement, falls especially for elderly are serious. | |
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| re: People are falling, getting hurt by cursed aisle at ‘Harry Potter and the Cursed Child’ | |
| Posted by: lowwriter 10:58 am EDT 05/17/18 | |
| In reply to: re: People are falling, getting hurt by cursed aisle at ‘Harry Potter and the Cursed Child’ - Snowgrace 03:51 pm EDT 05/16/18 | |
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| I sat in upper balcony and I do think the designers in the theater were thinking of younger fit audience members when they designed this theater. I am in good shape but if I had any problem with stairs I would be seriously challenged by this theater layout. | |
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