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| Memories of the original production of NINE | |
| Posted by: bobby2 11:31 pm EDT 06/23/18 | |
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| Thoughts? How did it hold up during the run? How were the replacements? (I was just looking through Playbills for sale on EBAY) Shocking how Raul Julia, Sergio Franchini, Bert Convy and Anita Morris all died so young. |
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| Posted by: bearcat 10:42 am EDT 06/25/18 | |
| In reply to: Memories of the original production of NINE - bobby2 11:31 pm EDT 06/23/18 | |
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| did I read somewhere that the polish of the show truly diminished over time, so much so that Clive Barnes or another critic disavowed his rave review posted in the lobby. did the show have doves at the end, and did the doves disappear at some point during the run? I must have read this somewhere, can anyone corroborate? (some of you said you loved the show with replacements) |
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| Posted by: pecansforall 01:07 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Memories of the original production of NINE - bearcat 10:42 am EDT 06/25/18 | |
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| When I saw the show there were doves at the end. The show was sublime for me. All of the originals were still in the cast with the exception of Karen Akers who was replaced by Maureen McGovern. The show was visually stunning and Yeston's score was magnificent. All those leading women each had a showstopping moment. One right after another. I remember being very moved at the end. Especially the moment all the women returned to the stage in all white versions of their previously black costumes. |
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| Last Edit: EvFoDr 12:21 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
| Posted by: EvFoDr 12:20 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Memories of the original production of NINE - bearcat 10:42 am EDT 06/25/18 | |
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| I never saw the original, but I did see the recording at the Lincoln Center library, which based on it not being the full original cast was done later in the run. I must say I was surprised I didn't enjoy it more. I count Nine in my top fave Broadway shows of all time, based on recordings, clips, seeing local productions, the Broadway revival, etc. I first discovered the OBCR about 25 years ago and I never tire of listening to it. Which is to say I love Nine A LOT. But I wasn't seeing the magic in the video that I had always heard about. I felt Anita Morris was mugging terribly. Maureen McGovern was just not nearly as unique and interesting as Karen Akers. I didn't find the replacement Claudia (not sure who was in the video) all the compelling either. I think a lot of what made the staging must have been lost on video. And that's fine. It's not meant to be a video! But this experience may indicate it was diminished over time. But geez, even writing this post makes me want to get it out and listen right now! :-) | |
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| Posted by: AlanScott 07:14 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Memories of the original production of NINE - EvFoDr 12:20 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
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| It seems that Kim Criswell is Claudia in the TOFT video. Linking the page for it below. I'll be something of a minority voice here. I saw the original production late in previews, after it had been frozen, probably on a critics' night. I thought it started wonderfully, but I found it less and less compelling after the first 20 minutes or so. I think too many numbers have lyrics that don't accomplish much. The whole thing just doesn't go anywhere very interesting, despite some very good music. I enjoy the 2-CD version of the cast recording a lot, although even on the recording there are numbers that just make me feel like nothing much is going on and it's going on for a long time. Honestly, Shelly Burch wasn't compelling as Claudia either. I'm not sure anyone could be. The rest of the cast was terrific, especially Julia and, of course, Morris was extraordinary. Even in previews, Julis was having problems with the upper reaches of the score, but his acting was brilliant, all you could hope for in the role. |
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| re: Memories of the original production of NINE | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 12:46 pm EDT 06/26/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Memories of the original production of NINE - AlanScott 07:14 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
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| Honestly, Shelly Burch wasn't compelling as Claudia either. I'm not sure anyone could be. It's a tough role. She's only onstage for a relatively short time, and she spends almost all of it trying to fight Guido's idealized image of her, instead of us really getting to know her as herself. However, "Unusual Way" is a gorgeous song, and I find her dialogue during "Simple" to be very moving in context of the moment. |
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| Last Edit: PlayWiz 08:45 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 08:43 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Memories of the original production of NINE - AlanScott 07:14 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
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| I wonder why they didn't lower the keys for Julia, who struggled at times during the several times I saw him in the show. I remember chatting with someone at Sardi's (whose portrait was hanging on the wall!) who said that it was something of a standard practice to put keys for performers slightly above their optimum tessitura. I never heard anyone else say this, but it was around the time of "Nine", and we were specifically discussing Raul Julia. I loved the show, btw. Anita Morris gave the sexiest performance by a woman I've ever seen in a show. In addition, her "Simple" in the 2nd act, not discussed as much as her "Phone Call from the Vatican" showpiece, was heartbreaking and beautifully sung. Lilliane Montevecchi was a bit inconsistent from show to show -- she could be great one performance, but less than that another time. Ms. Morris was very consistently terrific. Karen Akers had a very distinctive voice and presence which worked well for the show. It was a gorgeous production with everyone in black costumes, until the colorful "Grand Canal Sequene" and then everyone in white for the conclusion, along with the release of white doves for the curtain call. Plus, of course, the sung overture by the ladies, the great "Be Italian" number, the little boys (and young Guido's lovely "Being Tall"). It was a very memorable show, something I just took a chance on for a standing room ticket right before opening that turned out to be one of my favorite Broadway experiences. |
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| anyone see it without Anita Morris? | |
| Posted by: bobby2 10:16 pm EDT 06/24/18 | |
| In reply to: Memories of the original production of NINE - bobby2 11:31 pm EDT 06/23/18 | |
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| Was Wanda Richert or the understudies ever able to come close to Morris? | |
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| re: anyone see it without Anita Morris? | |
| Posted by: TMGnyc 01:30 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
| In reply to: anyone see it without Anita Morris? - bobby2 10:16 pm EDT 06/24/18 | |
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| I saw Wanda Richert in the role. I am a huge fan of hers, having seen her do Cassie in A Chorus Line on the road, as well as 42nd Street. Of all the Cassie's I've seen through the years, hers was second only to Donna McKechnie. Anita Morris was something very special in Nine. She was sexy, funny, that was tempered with a naivete that was such a winning combination. Wanda didn't have all that, though she was a wonderful Carla. I don't know that anyone can match Anita Morris in that role. | |
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| re: anyone see it without Anita Morris? | |
| Posted by: winters 09:03 am EDT 06/25/18 | |
| In reply to: anyone see it without Anita Morris? - bobby2 10:16 pm EDT 06/24/18 | |
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| Anita Morris was perfection. I saw an understudy. The major problem? For all of you who remember her rather shear costume....it was absolutely form fitting. Unfortunately for the understudy, she did not have the same form and the costume sagged in all the wrong places. That's what I remember. |
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| re: anyone see it without Anita Morris? | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 11:41 am EDT 06/25/18 | |
| In reply to: re: anyone see it without Anita Morris? - winters 09:03 am EDT 06/25/18 | |
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| I find that really surprising...the costume was such a feature of the role that I would have assumed that any understudy would've had her own version of it specifically tailored to her own body. Did you see it in previews, perhaps before the production would have had time to get duplicate costumes made? | |
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| re: anyone see it without Anita Morris? | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 06:59 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
| In reply to: re: anyone see it without Anita Morris? - JereNYC 11:41 am EDT 06/25/18 | |
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| I have heard a number of times over the years about understudies, including for leading roles, wearing the same costumes as the regular performer, whether they really fit the understudy well or not. And I do mean on Broadway. I would guess it's not always the case, and you'd think in a case like that role in Nine, they would have wanted to make sure the understudy looked great in the costume, but I guess it's not always felt to be worth the expense. | |
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| re: anyone see it without Anita Morris? | |
| Last Edit: jwilson 02:29 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
| Posted by: jwilson 02:28 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
| In reply to: re: anyone see it without Anita Morris? - JereNYC 11:41 am EDT 06/25/18 | |
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| I saw the show during the summer after it opened, and Kim Criswell, Anita Morris's understudy, was on. Not only was I extremely disappointed that I didn't see Morris, but Criswell did not wear the costume. She wore what I presume to be her regular track costume. (And I took a picture at the curtain call, so I know my memory isn't playing tricks on me.) Although I am sure Criswell was more than competent, she did not at all have the impact that the other women in the cast had. | |
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| re: anyone see it without Anita Morris? | |
| Posted by: bowtie7 06:39 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
| In reply to: re: anyone see it without Anita Morris? - jwilson 02:28 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
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| There was a photo in the souvenir program of William Ivey Long and the swings--each of which had their own individual costume. I believe the idea was that they could could go on for various roles in a costume just for them, though I am surprised that the Carla understudy did not have a duplicate of what became the shows signature look. | |
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| Here is a New York Times article on the Anita Morris understudy situation | |
| Posted by: bobby2 11:15 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
| In reply to: re: anyone see it without Anita Morris? - bowtie7 06:39 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
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| Criswell did wear her own costume but then after complaints they hired somebody else to cover the role. | |
| Link | https://www.nytimes.com/1983/03/09/theater/stage-absenteeism-said-to-be-rising.html |
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| re: Here is a New York Times article on the Anita Morris understudy situation | |
| Posted by: bowtie7 10:03 am EDT 06/26/18 | |
| In reply to: Here is a New York Times article on the Anita Morris understudy situation - bobby2 11:15 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
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| Link | https://www.nytimes.com/1983/03/09/theater/stage-absenteeism-said-to-be-rising.html |
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| re: Here is a New York Times article on the Anita Morris understudy situation | |
| Posted by: jwilson 11:45 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
| In reply to: Here is a New York Times article on the Anita Morris understudy situation - bobby2 11:15 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
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| Thank you for linking that article. Another major theatregoing disappointment was not seeing Elizabeth Ashley in Agnes of God. I guess I was fortunate, though, to see Carrie Fisher and only one of the two performances that Ashley missed! So the complaints about absenteeism go back at least to the 1980s. | |
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| re: Memories of the original production of NINE | |
| Posted by: 37Rubydog 12:25 am EDT 06/24/18 | |
| In reply to: Memories of the original production of NINE - bobby2 11:31 pm EDT 06/23/18 | |
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| I saw the original cast on my 18th bday. I agree that Raul Julia wasn't much of a singer - but he was terrific as an actor. Hearing a recording of Jonathan Pryce sing Bells of St Sebastian made it much more memorable than when I saw it in 82.... But I still won't forget the "controversy" over Anita Morris' semi-sheer jumpsuit and how Lilliane Montevecci played several lines to my BF at the time. | |
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| Posted by: garyd 01:11 am EDT 06/24/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Memories of the original production of NINE - 37Rubydog 12:25 am EDT 06/24/18 | |
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| "Lilliane Montevecci played several lines to my BF at the time." Ha!. Not that this has anything to do with anything but that actually happened to me twice. Once with Ms. Montevecci and once with Ms. Rivera. The second was actually more fun because I actually said " It wasn't me ' and pointed to my wife. Ms Rivera said, 'look I'm not your priest, was it you or not?". Sheepishly, 'yes' followed by "gary, gary, gary". Great fun though many actually thought I was a plant. Hell, I'm not even a shrub. ( thanks Molly) |
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| re: Memories of the original production of NINE | |
| Posted by: bobby2 12:50 am EDT 06/24/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Memories of the original production of NINE - 37Rubydog 12:25 am EDT 06/24/18 | |
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| Here's a commercial regarding Morris' costume. | |
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| Last Edit: Chromolume 11:45 pm EDT 06/23/18 | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 11:45 pm EDT 06/23/18 | |
| In reply to: Memories of the original production of NINE - bobby2 11:31 pm EDT 06/23/18 | |
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| Very true, though it's Franchi, not Franchini. And on that - the first time I was musical director for the show, and doing some research on the score, I got a wonderful chance to talk with one of the original ensemble members (I'm not telling who, lol.) She told me that Raul Julia and Sergio Franchi were pretty much polar opposites - Julia was not the best singer, but he acted the hell out of the role, while she said Franchi sang like a dream but simply couldn't act. I never had the chance to see the original production, but sure fell in love with the cast recording. (And I had the coveted cassette version, which had more music than the LP, including the full "Grand Canal" sequence. Of course, the remastered CD release contains even more than that.) |
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| We went expecting to hate it; after all, it was potentially stealing all the "Dreamgirls" thunder. | |
| Last Edit: Delvino 01:19 pm EDT 06/24/18 | |
| Posted by: Delvino 01:17 pm EDT 06/24/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Memories of the original production of NINE - Chromolume 11:45 pm EDT 06/23/18 | |
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| That was the vibe. It arrived in the spring of the "Dreamgirls" season. I remember seeing a Saturday matinee preview, walking home to the Upper West Side. The show sent us out on a cloud, a cliche, but true. The Yeston score on a first hearing, was just glorious. I became enamored of Karen Akers, who was such a unique presence and voice. But that whole company, what a company it was! I loved "Dreamgirls" and "Nine" and didn't pick a favorite. I went back twice, always loved it. That set and staging were just sublime, tucked into the then 46th Street Theatre. The revival was fine; the movie depressed the hell out of me. | |
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| 'Nine' was a 10 in many areas, but I still think 'Dreamgirls' should've won Best Musical | |
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| Posted by: WaymanWong 12:41 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
| In reply to: We went expecting to hate it; after all, it was potentially stealing all the "Dreamgirls" thunder. - Delvino 01:17 pm EDT 06/24/18 | |
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| ''Nine'' had such a beautiful cast, and the lovely women were stunningly costumed, all directed by the amazing Tommy Tune. And I recall the delightful Kathi Moss doing ''Be Italian'' on the Tonys. (Her only post-''Nine'' B'way credit was ''Grand Hotel.'') But I wish ''Dreamgirls'' Henry Krieger and Tom Eyen could've tied with ''Nine's'' Maury Yeston for Best Score. And scenic design. I'll always remember Lawrence MIller's astonishing all-white-tile-set at the spa for ''Nine.'' So I was really bummed when I caught the tour of ''Nine'' and saw that they had replaced it with an all-brown train station. Anyone know why? Someone once theorized it might've been too hard to keep that all-white set clean, while on tour. |
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| Link | Tony Awards: 'Be Italian' with Kathi Moss from 'Nine' |
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| re: 'Nine' was a 10 in many areas, but I still think 'Dreamgirls' should've won Best Musical | |
| Posted by: pecansforall 12:59 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
| In reply to: 'Nine' was a 10 in many areas, but I still think 'Dreamgirls' should've won Best Musical - WaymanWong 12:41 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
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| Here's a comparison shot of the NINE set for Broadway and the set for the national tour. (Once you follow the link you might have to click on the photo to see both.) | |
| Link | NINE Broadway versus National Tour |
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| re: 'Nine' was a 10 in many areas, but I still think 'Dreamgirls' should've won Best Musical | |
| Posted by: EvFoDr 01:47 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
| In reply to: re: 'Nine' was a 10 in many areas, but I still think 'Dreamgirls' should've won Best Musical - pecansforall 12:59 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
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| That's fascinating. Lord knows there are plenty of reasons that sets have to be re-imagined for tour, but this does seem off since it's a unit set with very little on the stage. The white tile set does not look that technically complex (although it could be deceptive). However, the comment with the photos about imbedding lights into the arches of the train set does sort of make sense of it. That can save a lot of time when jumping from city to city. | |
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| I hate the movie | |
| Posted by: showtunetrivia 06:19 pm EDT 06/24/18 | |
| In reply to: We went expecting to hate it; after all, it was potentially stealing all the "Dreamgirls" thunder. - Delvino 01:17 pm EDT 06/24/18 | |
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| Nearly every single minute. And it should have translated well. Laura |
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| Last Edit: Chromolume 07:14 pm EDT 06/24/18 | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 07:08 pm EDT 06/24/18 | |
| In reply to: I hate the movie - showtunetrivia 06:19 pm EDT 06/24/18 | |
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| And it should have translated well. I disagree about that. Actually, that was my fear from the start - that it wouldn't translate well. Assuming that you've seen 8 1/2, you know how so very different it is from the musical. And it clearly took a lot of vision for the creators of the musical to make use of the same basic material in a form that would work onstage and musicalized. The musical, IMO, is really very much its own creation - and works onstage on its own terms in the same kind of way that the Fellini film works as a Fellini film. I always feared that trying to go full circle-ish and turn the musical into a film would be very difficult. And we can see that it was even harder than that. To me the musical film doesn't play well in either genre - it's not a good film (as a film), and it's not a good translation of the musical itself either. I think that a literal film of the musical onstage, captured in performance, would have worked as well as any other such filmed live musical, and would have been a good compromise. Trying to deconstruct it to make it "filmic" again didn't work. |
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| Posted by: hugoP 05:38 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
| In reply to: re: I hate the movie - Chromolume 07:08 pm EDT 06/24/18 | |
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| Such a disappointment. It was as if Playboy Magazine decided to film a musical for 'sophisticated, worldly gentlemen'. The women were all objectified, the glitz and slickness overpowered everything...and the emotion? Gone. Why they jettisoned so much about young Guido, including his role in BE ITALIAN, is mystifying. The BE ITALIAN number, as eye popping as it looked in the trailer, is emblematic of what went wrong-- all sex and spectacle, no heart. I was crushed. I really, really hope that someone gets to make the movie that should have been made of NINE. And I was doubly disappointed because that cast was pretty remarkable, even if there were few trained singers in the mix. |
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| Posted by: hugoP 05:50 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
| In reply to: re: I hate the movie - hugoP 05:38 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
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| Just re-watched (for the first time in a decade) the BE ITALIAN sequence...Young Guide IS there-- well, technically not "there" because he's in an odd flashback that is intercut with the Fergie music video that is standing in for the BE ITALIAN number in the film. I guess it's an homage to MEIN HERR, but, again, all the heart is lost and it's all empty spectacle....and sand....and tambourines. But I would one day like to see more of Fergie in a real role. |
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| re: I hate the movie | |
| Posted by: Delvino 08:58 am EDT 06/25/18 | |
| In reply to: re: I hate the movie - Chromolume 07:08 pm EDT 06/24/18 | |
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| Fully agree. Nothing in the film really worked, though the fancy-ied up MTV-ish (or something; ugh) musical numbers had moments of holding my attention. It's a rare filmed musical that I never wanted to set eyes on again. I can bounce around cable, land on a bad musical, and not be able to budge. I couldn't sit through "Nine" again, and I dearly love the Yeston score, butchered and messed-up and augmented as it is. | |
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| Posted by: bobby2 10:15 pm EDT 06/24/18 | |
| In reply to: re: I hate the movie - Chromolume 07:08 pm EDT 06/24/18 | |
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| and I can't believe Penelope Cruz got an Oscar nomination for Carla. Plus they cut out Be on Your Own for some dumb reason and added a non-memorable song. If they were going to nominate somebody for supporting actress I think Nicole Kidman deserved it . I thought she did ok with Unusual Way and her other scenes. Marion Cotillard was good but they pushed her for Lead Actress thinking they would make room in supporting but it backfired on them. |
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| Last Edit: WaymanWong 01:00 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 12:58 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
| In reply to: re: I hate the movie - bobby2 10:15 pm EDT 06/24/18 | |
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| I couldn't get past the major miscasting of Daniel Day-Lewis as Guido Contini. As for cutting ''Be on Your Own,'' I imagine they wanted Yeston to write a new number for Luisa that could be Oscar-eligible. So you wound up with the stripteasy (and dreary) ''Take It All,'' which actually did get an Oscar nomination for Best Song. I thought the Academy should've nominated another new song instead: ''Cinema Italiiano,'' which was livelier and more fun. |
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| Link | 'Cinema Italiano'' (with Kate Hudson) from 'Nine' |
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| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 04:36 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
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| Just for the hell of it, I threw the soundtrack into my phone and I do actually listen to some it now and then. The orchestration under Penelope Cruz doing "A Call From The Vatican" is pretty thrilling. I find "Take it All" to be a fine song on its own out of context, but, of course, it pales in comparison to "Be On Your Own" in context. I always find I like the idea of "Cinema Italiano," but tire of it before it finishes. | |
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| Posted by: Chazwaza 04:32 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
| In reply to: re: I hate the movie - WaymanWong 12:58 pm EDT 06/25/18 | |
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| Eh, i find that song to not only be forced in (in a re-write of the Press character that doesn't help the themes and conflict of the story), but musically lazy and lyrically awkward in many spots. I definitely don't think it deserved an Oscar nod. It's also staged in seemingly the only way Rob Marshall can conceive of a musical number in a movie... it's so unimaginative and tiresome. Same for "Take It All". | |
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| re: Memories of the original production of NINE | |
| Posted by: lowwriter 10:38 am EDT 06/24/18 | |
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| I saw the original production with Julia twice and once with Franchise. I loved them both. The staging was so inventive and all the women were wonderful. It was the first time I heard Karen Akers and she was stunning singing Be on Your Own. I loved hearing Unusual Way for the first time. That season of Nine and Dreamgirls was so special. There should have been a tie for best musical. |
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| Posted by: Snowgrace 04:15 am EDT 06/25/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Memories of the original production of NINE - lowwriter 10:38 am EDT 06/24/18 | |
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| YES! Wouldn't that have been something?? Remember my best friend & me hanging from I think balcony seats, must have been fall of senior year in high school, ENTRANCED by the energy of the show & its OBC, & YES, after, repeatedly playing that complete cassette recording on the walkman, etc., etc...where that tape went, I WISH I knew, cause the vinyl and cd I got don't have it all. Karen Akers striding through the house at the end of BE ON YOUR OWN (OH she was wonderful...a friend's parents later took me to hear her at Carnegie Hall!!!), Anita Morris writhing on that block, my friend falling madly in love with Raul Julia who was SO fine, the energy of the BE ITALIAN number, the gorgeous harmony of the opening number and its set and costumes all in black and white as I remember...feel so lucky to have been there!!!! | |
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